Strategy for Neon Stables Event

Mir,

Actually, what I was implying in my earlier post was to make players aware that the most valuable asset they can use is the level1 bred animal, not the base one, not the upper level ones.

Going on with the example of chicken, let's suppose someone does not have any bred chicken at all, of any level. The full EV requirement in EV terms for the Chicken Side es 135K. It equates -as Silly Guy correctly pointed out- to 5400 chickens and, I add, 193 roasters, roughly (let's also suppose for a moment it is possible to donate the 135K EV in one shot).

Out of Baby Boom that would mean investing near to 400 PFs and 800 chickens. But, during Baby Boom, most probably one can get this completely done by just investing 100/150 PFs and 200/300 chickens -even less chickens, due to returns-, because of the skips you'll for sure get.

For someone who does not go to markets often and can afford to invest let's say 400 to 500 PFs in total, at the maximum, this may be the best approach they may follow.

However, of course, if you do go to market, things change but, even so, the (partial, in this case) breeding only plain animals still stands as the best approach. For instance, now, in my mkt, the CCs/EV ratio of each relevant bred chicken is as follows:
level0 - chicken - 520 CCs - 20,8 CCs/EV
level1 - roaster - 20K CCs - 28,57 CCs/EV
level2 - silky - 59K CCs - 31,05 CCs/EV
level3 - crazy - 123K CCs - 19,52 CCs/EV
level4 - gumbo - 240K CCs - 12 CCs/EV
level5 - mini - 450K CCs - 7,14 CCs/EV

By just having a quick look at the previous list it is immediately realized the best to buy, even at current mkt prices, are levels0 -chicken-, 3, 4 and 5. The best to sell, levels1 and 2. But that's not guaranteed -especially the prices cannot be-, since mkt prices will change once people start breeding -though I bet mkt price CCs value/EV ratios between contiguous levels will more or less keep constant-.

In other words, in my opinion, given this panorama, the best and most efficient approach is to combine some level0 animals breeding (namely, chickens, rabbits, goats) with some selling of lowel level bred animals and buying some relevant higher level bred animals, thus building up value from below and capturing value generated by others from above. By doing so, anyone could eventually fully complete this event with as little as 100/200 PFs invested in total.

What I will do is exactly what I describe in this previous paragraph, more for chicken than for rabbits, except for goats. In this latter case, I'll directly dump the roughly 210+ speckled goats needed for covering everything out of the 650+ I already have.

But, certainly, I wouldn't dump flying goats or anything like that high level: the game does not end with this event and I'd keep those I have, at least most of them. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone who only has 1 or 2 of them, unless they buy them now as recommended above.

 

Then I think we agree Aluntino

I don't think I need to do that. I got a good price for the animals I sold, if I buy them back it will be for a lower price, so that I make a profit. If they don't go low enough I'll breed the animals I need.

 

What a good thing that we got the FAQ's this early, thanks BP!

I'm trying to work out a strategy but still not sure how I'll go about this Event; basic, 1st or higher level animals. All strategy's have me confuzzeled! Thanks illy, Mir, Silly Guy, Aluntino and Mooboy for your help thus far.

Best of luck all!

 

Ok so in reading through all of this my questions is this. If I only have a few (6 or less) of any of the lower breeding animals needed is it better to sell them now and then either breed or buy them back later when the prices drop? I will say that I have enough base animals to get the neon stables which is my main goal if I choose to only donate base animals.

 

And I am absolutely certain you do not understand the concept yet. The cost/ev one has of their beginning stock is the starting point. The donation decisions one makes after that point only become more efficient and therefore less costly. Everyone alludes to it but refuses to say it.

If you don't start at the beginning then where do you start? In the middle? If you want to donate a Golden Hen then do it but it doesn't make any sense. You ARE NOT going to buy back your original stock at the original price during the event, no. That is as bad as people selling there farms during the previous event and just taking what they could get.

Sure feed has gone up and I know what the original price was too and that is my BEGINNING point. (Although I can compute a cost/EV ratio, there is no need here but it does exist.)

If you wish to use the EV During this Event and ignore what your initial cost/EV ratio was prior to the event you are definitely going to make poor decisions. This is because you are completely ignoring what you have in the very beginning! That beginning ratio is what guides any market trading one chooses to engage in. That beginning ratio will also better guide any breeding decisions made, if any will be done during the event. If you choose to go any further with EV use then you will have to thoroughly understand the starting ratio and its use.

I can accept your strategy though.

Aluntino your statement regarding the initial breeding animal being best is correct BUT assuming no changes in market price. And as we both know, everyone will not consider market price at all. Generally I agree with that statement. You state changes in market so very well. I used the statement below.

Say we consider market then our decision may change because we may choose to sell that first level breeding animal to, as you state so well: " ... build up value from below and capture value generated by others from above." Very well stated!

And if one chooses to attempt to compute value generated then having the starting point identified is the best way. I'll explain why: Say you actually bought the speckled goat for exactly its EV. I was selling them generating over 400% profit easily.

That brings one back to that initial cc amount (which in some cases is even -0-) ...... or better said, the original market to EV ratio
which is that BEGINNING RATIO OF WHAT ONE HAS IN THE IN INVENTORY.

Nothing further to offer here.

Strategy here is to sell to the bare barn walls ................ and go shopping!

 

f_b,

Experience tells me breeding of plain animals only -chickens only, for my example- combined with mkt activity in the exact sense I described yields the best results. Even if mkt prices change, simply because they tend to change in the same direction and, hence, they tend to keep the ratios of CCs/EV ratios between levels roughly constant. Therefore, it stands.

That said, Mir perfectly understands the "concept", as you call it, I'm 100% sure of that. What she said she'll do has little and a lot (in unison) to do with that concept and yet is essentially correct and clever: mkt prices of the bred animals she's selling now most certainly will drop once people start to breed, especially when Baby Boom will be in place, to be expected from Friday onwards. Then, as usual, prices will tend to go up again when Baby Boom is over and late-comers to the event start to buy what they need -behaviour verified time and again in all events of this kind-. The way she's approaching the problem at hand is as good as many others: she's generating value through generating profit with which she'll buy more value (in EV terms) once Baby Boom is here and prices start to drop. In short, she's playing basic market dynamics, applicable to any mkt -here or in RL-, when one can be sure that profit will be generated no matter what. And it will.

 

Thank you for saving me a reply Aluntino

I'm off to bed

 

Okay everyone, I apologize for being such a ding dong...Is there a new event taking place? I didn't see it on the calendar....
I am still very new at Farmerama....each event is new to me!!

 

@007Farming
This is the link for the thread on this event. If you look at the main forum page for Events you can see in the upper right corner an option to "watch" that forum. If you click on that then you will get an alert every time new information is posted on an event.

You also might want to start reading the "Grapevine" thread as there are many rumors about upcoming events listed there. It sometimes helps to get a jump start on preparing for an event long before it's announced.

 

I have a headache, spilled my coffee, kept forgetting my pets when I finally remembered my fields of animals, and way overcooked my steak.

I gave up, deleted all worksheets and I am just going to do this, Thanks Mooboy for working it up, I only need a few of the animals you listed scaredy has never come to my barn... he will now I can tell ya

I really do thank-you for mapping out a beginners way I am not a newbie anymore but I am not all that well off either.
Everyone else that gave their math, thank-you as I know now what I need as a base in animals for next time.

 

Aluntino,

Nope! Disagree.

If one BEGINS with no chickens and is producing chickens then perhaps you are right. We are not newbies here.

Mir has a beginning inventory and that beginning ratio is NOT the same and assuming that it is, is unreasonable and leads to false conclusions. I disagree with the logic 100%. Tried that argument too many times while learning and lost it EVERY single time to those who knew. Nothing hard about this. Lets get it!

I bought a chicken a week ago for 300. The EV is 25

I bought a chicken today for 800. The EV is 25.

Prove to me that the beginning market to EV ratio of the two is the same? You can't.

Even the one I produce today should use the current market for decision making purposes. Why? Because you produce it today and you have the choice of taking it immediately to market. Don't do it and the analysis will always be incomplete with a hole in it. The only possible way for you to support that kind of logic is to begin changing the facts.

The first ratio is before a sudden demand was created. This is the starting point of the decision.

Computing all those numbers is only doing it because we have a calculator.

The question to be answered is: What do I do with my beginning stock, donate it or trade up? beginning beginning beginning beginning.

You have the end perfectly. (and this is provided the future direction of the game is considered whether wrong or right)


Edit ---

Aluntino, here is a statement from you in the cc making thread dismissing even the introduction of EV use.

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Exchange values of bred animals mean nothing, not now, not before, most probably not ever. The important thing is to see them as a chain for each animal, a food chain, with lasting effects. And act accordingly.
Last edited: Oct 8, 2014
Aluntino, Oct 8, 2014
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Add the use of the beginning mkt to exchange ratio if you choose to go further.

I think my strategy is to sell feed now and play the animals possibly useful in the call just like they were lettuce!

 

As you wish, f_b. I disagree with the way you are trying to analyze Mir's approach because what you're explaining, basically correct, is of no consequence regarding this event, now. Mir is already answering the question of what to do with the beginning stock. Her answer is one of those possible. I'm choosing a different path: I'm not selling what I already have, but I may sell some. But my choice is based on my long term goals and my lack of will -this time- to fully play the mkt to get the most value -both direct and indirect- from it, as Mir is doing.

EDIT: f_b, you took the quote of what I said in your thread absolutely out of context, which is something -to say the least- particularly unfair and misleading. What I said then still stands and is in no contradiction with what I've said in this thread. This event is about EV and affects the related bred animal mkts accordingly, which doesn't mean bred animals mkts are only about it, as you use to plea.

 

@Aluntino
You and everyone else has the choice to take the depth of their understanding further just as I have the choice whether to explain. We all have choices. Mine includes having readily available full information prior to decision making. And now my strategy is to go shopping.

@Mooboy


Your example

• I would take advantage to sell Breeding Chickens.Rabbits and Goats Level 1 to 4 While the Prices are High, Once the Breeding Event Starts these Prices will start to fall. Plus use Proceeds to Buy Higher Value Breeding Animal

• For Example I sold two Cuddles for 85,000 each total of 170,000 Both Cuddles only give 8,500 EV each but I Brought 1 Scaredy Rabbit for 142,000 CC Which gives me 25,000 EV to be used to Donate towards Rabbit Side quest. This can or May save you loads of Power Feeds this way !!!

This is exactly what I was doing. And I have no problem with the outcome.

Surely you saw it to execute it. You didn't use a beginning market to EV ratio but it definitely did exist.
If a beginning ratio is considered before the transaction is executed, one can actually pinpoint the animals to do the same thing over and over and over and over and over .......

and even better,

There is no need for an event to accomplish it and it is done routinely simply by the numbers. The only difference is that the spread gets much much closer.

That's back to the question of what to do with beginning stock. RL is going to take me away for a day and perhaps much much longer. I'm going to sell all the chickens, rabbits, goats, connected breeding stock, lettuce, carrots, wheat, hay, chicken feed, rabbit feed, and goat feed and try to have exactly -0- of them all.

Success to everyone.

 

f_b and Aluntino - just gotta say: I'm finding your discussion quite interesting!

 

I agree Max. Reading it has effectively saved me from making a huge mistake.
Thanks for that.

 

Welcome and feel free to join us. We go round and round. And I go round and round with Mooboy too. I respect them both. And they have both assisted me greatly with my market antics and learning. Without them both......I would not be quite as insane!

 

Gee! You'all have gotten smarter while I was gone, either that or I have gotten dumber. Anyways, I think ignorance is Bliss! I am gone to muddle my way through this by buying a whole bunch (for me - I am still cheap with RM) of PF. I hope to finish everything and hopefully make a Mil or 2 in the market. If I can do all this then, I surly will be a happy camper - UM, UM - I mean a happy farmer.

Hi Poppy - What mistake are you talking about? Can you explain in dummy language? Please!

 

Mooboy... in regards to Post 16 you gave the solution for the first 5 steps.
Do you have a recommended solution to Step 6 without sacrificing a higher level animal ?
Like many of us my head hurts from the heat and now reading the exchange of idea's from yourself, Aluntino, Mir and Broke.
Remember the KISS principle (Keep It Simple (Sweetheart or Stupid ))

 

Hi Banjoman I like

That is Exactly The Concept of my Postings on Basic of KISS Principle

Here is Suggest Solution for Those considering or Debating getting Cloud Row of Doing Level 6

• 45000 worth of Chickens or Coloured Chickens ( 2 Gumbo + 2 Silky + 2 Rooster)
  
• 54000 worth of Rabbits or Coloured Rabbits ( 2 Scaredy + 2 Cocoa + 3 Rabbits)
  
• 64800 worth of Goats or Coloured Goats ( 2 Pygmy Goat + 1 Angora Goat + 1 Black Goat)

I have so far Made 16 Million CC selling Animals and Surplus Breeding Chickens, Rabbits and Goats...which i have snapped up a while as I do try to hoard a fair about of First Three Levels of Breeding Animals as I buy them up over time which actually saves me loads of CC from Time to Time they do get Asked For so I get the Opportunity to sell them at the right time

It Good to see you back SGLICK as you are missed here nice to hear from you, not to worry you out of sorts we here to put you in straight and narrow

 

Tip of the hat to you Mooboy!

You math farmers, keep this a fun game, I have Mir85's higher animals in case the breeding gwads don't smile on me, but will try for the above, lesser breeding animals a bit nicer to swallow, I need my flying goat! I don't have enough but want them neons, I am needy.

My goal. and in a back to back events, nice.
I made sweet CC on the last event, that sort of depleted my barn, hurts to see this gem to make the money go by...but I am close..... so close to be a profit maker not just a farmer...so close.