Sales Classes

if u don't know how to sell something without giving it away stay out of the market it is getting so old let me beat the other guy, so i can make some money, ok i'll blow out the bottom, no one makes a dime great job keep giving it away

 

Its just like real life in a free market. You want price fixing, not a free market.

Price fixing works great for sellers, but not so much for buyers. In fact, its bad enough that price fixing is illegal in many real world markets. Perhaps you are not from one of those countries?

If you are not selling items, then try something else. Some products are sold for less than it takes to produce them because folks have cloud rows or trees or other ways to make them without cost. Some just don't care because they grow everything and consider all sales "profit" or simply enjoy offering bargains. That is their choice. Your choice would be not produce and sell those items. There are plenty of items that do offer a profit, but its not always the same things. There are times, during events, when the prices of items go wild and you can make a huge profit quickly,. Even the "regular" non-event item market swings a lot. Pricing things too high is a risk. I have had several items just returned to me unsold because I overpriced them in my greed. Some farmers make a study of buying things cheaply, hoarding them, and then selling during events. It takes time and patience.

Frankly, I have made lots of money in the market. If you are not, perhaps it is you and not the rest of us that fail to understand market dynamics.

 

try reading what i said one more time, it's not maxing out everything its giving it away. it's clear you dont know what your talking about

 

oldman , it's difficult to understand exactly what it is that you are saying. I took it the same way as woody, so maybe you can clarify what it is that you actually mean.

 

hmm... well, let's play this out.

First off, some people do routinely sell items for more than the average price (I generally do, unless they are quickly moving up in price), some quite a bit more. But let's say, as an example, that everyone decided to sell wheat for 10 CC and no less. What happens?

You do make more CC. At first, that sounds great... but... Since wheat is used to produce several animals, folks now have to raise their prices to make them profitable. Your answer would be to increase those prices. OK, but it keeps going on. One price goes up, then another, then another. In the real world, we call that "inflation". The true result is that while you get more CC (or money, in the real world), you cannot buy any more product with those CC. You are getting more CC, but the real value of the CC is the same as before -- you cannot buy any more with your CC than before, even though you are now getting more (maybe a LOT more). Further, as the price rises, other things happen, like people start buying less. As people buy less, you often wind up making less CC (or money) than you did originally. In a "free" market, the price would then go down. Your idea is to keep the prices high. In that scenario, the price stays high, but sales keep going down. More goods for fewer people mean even fewer sales and even less money overall. .. they will reach a minimum eventually, but it winds up that everyone involved actually makes less money because so many people just "opt out".

In this game, some items, are less in the market than the cost to make them. This is because there are trees and/or cloud rows that put them out. Someone making eggs in the workshop has to give up chickens and wheat for feed, (as an example), but someone with the tree has no such costs... the eggs just come! The only way to get these (as of now) is through Gift and Trade, but who knows? Maybe they will be offered at another point.

Actually, for that matter, everything in this game, except special items, are free. You can, if you wish, produce everything you need to move up without buying anything in the market at all. It would take more time than buying many items, but its possible. Rare pens and trees are about the only thing you would have to pay BB for, but you can potentially win some in an event/quest or trade for them in G & T.

The real price of anything is not what you wish to sell the item for, its what people are willing to pay.. and willing to pay when you have it available for sale.

Anyway, its a game, enjoy and have fun.

 

I could be wrong, but I think what oldman49 is trying to say is that he's frustrated when someone comes along and sells something in the market for WAY less than the going rate. And, to be fair, it's definitely annoying (especially when someone makes several pages worth of offers that are half price or something like that, because then suddenly everyone else's offers will be ignored). So basically his post is saying "Stop essentially giving stuff away in the market, because you're screwing over all the other sellers". That's how I interpreted his message, anyway. Oldman if you could use punctuation, it would be way easier to understand your posts...

 

ok all i'm saying is this, if you have something to sell don't give it away just to make a buck. if market is 100 there's nothing wrong with trying 125 but if market is 100 and u sell at 50 u run down the price not worth the time. just hold the line an dont give it away. u have people selling manure at 500 then u have people selling at.79 what the hel/ no one makes anything.

yes thank you. as for the rest there are the few,that hover over the forum with nothing else to do, but wright books. i'm done

 

Say for whatever my reasons I want a quick billion and a half ccs. Quick will not be so quick if I sell at the present market prices and low quantities to attract all buyers.

I'm searching for something constructive in this discussion. I only want my billion and a half within a reasonable amount of time and could care less who buys. But I want it quick and I'm done for a while. How?

 

Everytime someone is making something. I believe if someone wants to sell a product half the price of the cheapest offer, it is his decision to do it and he will make money. I don't find it bad for prices to decrease sometimes, why should they be high? Players can buy more products with less money and the seller still makes money.

 

LOL.. Something tells me you will manage quite well. Something also tells me your being "done for a while" means maybe a couple of days..lol.

 

If manure was actually selling for 500cc (I've never seen it that high) and someone was dumping it for .79cc I'd buy it all up and resell. If it was too much I'd throw some into my florist and make something to sell that way. Either way I'd figure out how to make a profit.

 

Exactly offmyrocker! You gave us a very good example. Sometimes manure gets that high when we have to grow event crops.
P.S. Tell us your market here, if you want

 

I for one really like the people that sell low...it helps me recover from my mistakes . Like when I run out of feed and had forgotten to make some.

I think we all have our own strategies for playing the game and that's what makes it both fun and frustrating at times.

 

for the non believer's, take a look at manure prices now, 450/500 great deal.

 

Of course, there is an event on-going. The trick is to not get caught out when the prices fall.. and to make money ALL the time, not just during events.

 

I'm a market vulture, and proud of it. I freely admit to scouring the markets looking for bargains; I do the same thing in real life. Who wants to pay more if someone is willing to sell it for less? Would you go to a store and pay $100 more for a product, knowing another store has it on sale for $100 less? I don't personally have any frustrations with bargain sellers, because those prices rarely last more than a few seconds before some other vulture snatches them up. I find it far more frustrating to face page after page of items that should be sold in lots, going 1 at a time.

 

@oldman49 ... I understand your complaint & the reasoning behind it. As a newly minted farmer, here's my "take" on this subject.

First off, I don't have tons of CC's so I have to be careful with what I spend and when I spend it. Secondly, let's say Eggs are selling at an average 200CC per unit & I have a few to sell, I will offer them for 176CC. So I'm not "halving" the price but it is lower so someone will buy my eggs. Having unsold units returned to my Inventory is all well and good but getting hit with the 10% Nonrefundable commission is not a road I can afford to go down.

Furthermore, not too long into starting my farming career, I realized it's not necessary to have 100 seeds of something ... I can make an initial purchase of 10, then plant & harvest them over and over. The point here is that there's a ONE time cost to obtain something and an additional cost of upgrading. Let's just take a Rabbit Hutch that costs 400CC and the upgrade is 1700CC, for a total investment of 2100CC's. Therefore, over time, the production cost of each subsequent rabbit diminishes (even considering food & water). Shouldn't the asking price for something reflect that?

Lastly, I'm all for free enterprise and profits, but I keep in mind a saying I heard many years ago ~
"Pigs get fat; hogs get slaughtered."
Trout

 

When the price spikes, as for events, its nice to take advantage, but on a regular basis, it would accomplish nothing except to cause inflation. Money of any kind (virtual or real) is only worth what you can get for it in return. This is the real point.

(but just to clarify, I almost always sell items above the average sold price. )

 

This market moves just like the real world! In it I am a free person making choices.
Great lesson woody.... Thank you.