Spa Leveling

I looked in FAQs for info about how many trade points we get for AM mask, green mateato, lemongrass smoothie and yellow coconut. They aren't even in the chart with the other products. Can someone please tell me the trade points or level for those products?

Anyone have any suggestions for leveling the spa?

 

I can tell you the levels. Am mask is level 2, lemongrass smoothie is level 3, both yellow coconut and green mateato are level 5.

 

Suzee - yellow coconut gives 270 trade points. I don't know about the others. I do not have those recipes yet and the FAQ does not say nor is the chart all inclusive.

 

A.M. mask gives you 200 spa trade points....I'm trying to eat 5 a day....to finally reach level 5 in the spa....but it's taking foreeeevver!!!

 

Suzee, this is just an assumption but here goes:
Lemongrass smoothie may give 100 trade points when used to upgrade because it's a L3 recipe.
Green mateato may give 270 t.p. (L5 recipe)
AM mask is of course best used when eaten because of the 200 t.p.

This is just an assumption because all other trades have a recipe exception of trade points value.

Also, the FAQ is not correct when it says that Pineapple-mango mask is valued in 100 trade points. I just tried and it's 50 t.p. just like any other regular L2 recipe. And red punch is 20 t.p. and not 50 as stated in the FAQ.

As for suggestions in levelling up... Brooke's the best if you have the money. It has no limit (because it's eaten and not used to upgrade) so you can eat as many as you can per day.
If you don't want to spend that much money I suggest using the chocolate shake. It gives more trade points when used to improve. However, you can only use 5 per day. So, it's slower but faster if you don't do anything...

I believe you have the 25% rune effectiveness on trade points, right? Then chocolate shake gives 225 t.p. each!!! 5 per day is about 1125 t.p

Myself, I need about 86K to level up. Without "cooking" any recipe (I have the 25% rune), that's about 76 days!!!

But since I always do at least 1 MOS and 1 Red punch per day which are 225 t.p, that's about 63 days at most.

Hope this helps a bit. But I suspect you already do that.

Myself, I'm going to do this. Suddenly I realized it's not such a long time... But once again, I'm going to be broke...

 

Thanks for your responses!

The FAQ chart didn't look right to me either. One of the reasons I asked. But I guess I mostly wanted strategies. I've been making and consuming at least one MOS a day aside from cloud rows and harvesting of course. Occasionally buying other product like red punch or langos for consumption. But I'm tired of waiting to get to Level 5 and I have a few coins from the last two events. I want to use them on the Spa and Baha. That's my current focus.

I guess I could buy one of each and test it...

 

Sorry to ask such a -maybe- out of place question in such a thread, but.... what's the special benefit all of you expect to get from leveling Spa up to 5? I really don't pay much attention to Spa. I still need 135K points to get there. And I only make there -and eat- the odd Red Punches to speed up Baha leveling up, not every day, not too many. I rather buy them. So, what's the deal?

 

Aluntino... Spa Manger Appeals to Crafting Farmers, Because you are Making practical use of Herbals. Making Red Punches and MOS and eating them help you level up your island sooner then you would normally. We Get Herbals From Drops anyway when we harvest our farms it silly to hoard herbals and not use them.

When we reach Level 5 Spa Manager and Complete the Island Cosmetics Quest you unlock a new Receipe for Green Mateato Which GIves 50% More BEP on Crops and Trees on the Island, Plus using Pets and Buffs on top of that

I Make red punches and Eat Them, I make MOS then sell them back to the Market with the proceeds I buy and eat Langos ...why 10 Langos are cheaper than 1 MOS in my markets. I can make these crafts and eat them also have plenty of cc to buy Langos and Red Punches eat them too.

The Deal is I can level up Bahm Twice as quick this way, When i Get to Level 5 I can Level up island quicker using Green Mateatos with My Bell Peppers Using Pets/Buffs, if you do the sums then you see MY Deal !!!

 

Aluntino, apart from the challenge of having all crafts at L5 (except alchemist for me at the moment but only because of paint palettes) and having all recipes, I'm usually a seller not a buyer. The L5 recipes of most trades are not only useful by itself but also to sell (although bakery is an exception when comes to usefulness).
Since I'm so bad at the market and don't have much patience to look thouroughly what's good to sell and buy on every goods department in the market each day, week or month, I know that I'll have an good income when selling L5 recipes.
Of course, some higher recipes do tend to fall down on market value making it not worth to sell compared to lower level recipes (CAC is one of them).
Regardless, my motto is if I can do it, don't buy it unless it's very cheap. And I could really use those L5 spa recipes...

So it's just a question of challenge mixed with style of play.

EDIT: Of course, elyxir is currently without a tree. It makes it much harder to do whatever we want without an elyxir tree orchard as I have with the other three main crafts.

 

Thanks, guys.

As a conclusion, it's clear for me: there's no real enticing enough reason for me for which I should start striving to level up in Spa in a quicker way.

So, I'll keep on calmly treading L4, making Red Punches now and then. I need CCs or resources for other things.

Currently, all Spa products up to level 4 are ruinous to make if anyone buys herbal elixirs with BBs (I don't; I wouldn't need to: I have 56K in barn....). Most are also ruinous to make even if you don't, including MOS, practically even. Only Red Punch is about 1K CCs cheaper to make than to buy, but only if you don't estimate a cost for herbal elixirs or you don't need to to assess it (my case). RP is a real helper in leveling up in Baha, unmatched by anything else.

As regards Green Mateato, really, I think the marginal benefit is rather small, to say the least, given it lasts only 6 hours. Though it affects also Baha trees -but Baha trees tend to yield less B-EPs as compared to Farm trees EPs-, on crops it has a lower effect than ZAB. Instead, king ZAB lasts 18 hours (triple time) and can be cheaply bought in mkt for 20/30% the cost of a GM, or I could make it if it got more expensive, which I doubt will happen -when you consider how long they last, ZAB cost as compared to GM's drops to 7/10%......, some bargain....-. Besides, combining it with CB forms an unbeatable couple that cannot be compensated by any means by GM's potential effect on Baha trees, unless -and even so I'm doubtful- you carpet the Island with trees. (Of course, you can also use CB combined with GM but...., what for?).

My farming style demands having one ZAB active most of the time. And when it's not -but also when it is-, I need those gold slots -2 if it's not, 1 if it is- for either general EP (+ B-EP) boosting (like with EM and/or SRJ), animal pens or workshops boosting (sometimes together), or, during MMs, for spooky crops growth time cutting -which is obviously combined with ZAB and CB-.

I've already learned my lesson with the Florist: when I started to strive to level up to 5, Spring Wreaths sold at 130K CCs each and were hugely profitable, making the effort worth the pain. By when I got there, so many arrived with me that I could get them from mkt at roughly the cost of making them. Hence, I don't make them any more..., and Florist lvl5 recipes sleep there, tight, forgotten by the world... I won't make the same mistake twice.

 

Aluntino, have you made the calculations for MOS recently, after goat milk prices have gone down, and MOS prices have gone up? Because the calculations based on my market prices yields a very different result.

For me, making and selling red punch yields a profit of 1k CC, or 50CC per herbal elixir, so that is quite close to what you said.

But for MOS the cost of the ingredients are:

4 goat milk 3200CC
40 coconuts 3600CC
40 bananas 2000CC
30 mangoes 2400CC
30 oranges 1050CC
100 vanilla 7000CC​

In total the ingredients cost 22500CC. I sell my MOS for 45000CC, so I earn 40500CC. Subtracting the cost of the ingredients leaves me with a profit of 18250CC or just over 300CC per herbal elixir. So MOS is six times more profitable than red punch!

What I do, is that I make & sell MOS and buy & drink red punch.

 

Mir,

I keep costs in my recipes assessment workbook always up to date, simply because recipes are among the most deceiving features in game. And I hate to get fooled, especially by myself.

If you don't estimate any costs for herbal elixirs, with my mkt prices:

Total cost at mkt prices	Current typical mkt price
Red Punch	11220	12000	+780	+6,95%
PAM Mask	14930	9800	-5130	-34,36%
MOS	45210	39500	-5710	-12,63%
Choc Shk	16075	21000	+4925	+30,64%

Therefore, for me, for the time being, the only real opportunity -apart from Red Punch, to some extent- lies in Chocolate Shake. I don't make it either, because, typically, I sometimes can get it even cheaper than 21K -but I very rarely make one once in a while: I used to make it when its price was 30K or higher; I'll make it again when it gets back there, if it does-.

If you do estimate a cost for herbal elixir -I use a virtual equivalent of 100 CCs a piece-, that is, if you buy herbal elixir with BBs, with my mkt prices:

Total cost at mkt prices	Current typical mkt price
Red Punch	13220	12000	-1220	-9,23%
PAM Mask	18930	9800	-9130	-48,23%
MOS	51210	39500	-11710	-22,87%
Choc Shk	24075	21000	-2925	-12,77%

In short, it doesn't make any sense -for me- making anything except Red Punch now and then.

EDIT: The horrible editor messed up the column titles: they've got shifted to the left and I couldn't figure out how to fix them.

 

Yes, I can see that now. I just wasn't expecting such differences in market prices, your MOS ingredients cost twice as much as mine. Probably it is the fruit which is more expensive. I saw someone mentioning date prices at 70cc. In my market they haven't been anywhere near that. I buy at 25cc-27cc and sell at 45cc-49cc. Could make the participation in top 500 a bit unfair.

As for the tables, if you have an empty cell, the cells to the right will be shifted. I put a "-" in cells I would like to have empty, haven't found a better option.

 

No, Mir, you're right about MOS. For some reason, I put the wrong amounts needed of bananas, oranges and mangoes (all in 100). I got that data wrong all the time....

So, after having corrected that, total cost of making a MOS drops to 21690 (w/o estimating a cost for HE) and 27690 (estimating it), yielding, thus, an 82,11% and 42,65% profit, respectively.

I'm off to make some MOS.... LOL. But now this means I'll calmly tread lvl4 by making MOS and Red Punch, without any hassles. My assessment of GM doesn't change.

 

I make all of my spa products because selling MOS to buy either Red punch or langos does not work out with BEP equivalents.
For example: It takes 3 Red punch to make the BEP equivalent of MOS and 10 langos for 1 MOS.

In my market, MOS is about the same as what you see too: approx 45,000

45,000 x .90 (considering the listing fee) = 40,500
If were to take my 40,500 to buy Red punch then would need to buy 3 to get the same BEP value: 40,500/3 = 13,500 and lagos: 40,500/10 = 4050

It is not often that I find Red punch below 13,500 or langos below 4050. Even if I did occasionally find them, they are not in the quantities to equally replace the BEP gained form one MOS. (I never find 10 langos below 4000)

I understand your discussion about the cost/profit of ingredients but I use my spa solely to help my island rather than as a generator of income.

As a side note: The amount of herbal elixir for 3 Red punch (7500 BEP) is the same as the elixir needed to make 1 MOS. Therefore, in terms of BEP, it really does not make much difference in 'cooking'.

I hope this is not too far off topic but just giving another perspective.

 

I may either be dumb or having a completely different style of play compared to yours. Either way, please explain to me why you consider market value of any goods involved in making any recipe to determine what you earn and what you loose?
True, it's not at all interesting (to say the least) making any recipe to sell, when one of the goods is higher valued than the recipe itself.
But either way, making and having the products itself is free cost. Or isn't?

Ok, so making and selling grapes is highly more profitable than any recipe, crop, animal or workshop products. No argument from me about it. But when it comes to devote my time in making pratically only grapes is a completely different situation. One that I don't have neither the time nor the mood to do it.

My point being, I rather be a hoarder that, when the right time comes, sell what I have in excess of any crop, sometimes animals or products. Why should I sell strawberries now when it's much more profitable doing when the right event comes?
Anyway, I treat any kind of goods as something I earned cost freely. Not as something I have to buy when I need. Because (at least for me) everything I'd need would be really expensive.

EDIT: That doesn't mean I don't make comparisons about what's better to sell and what's better to buy. I don't ever make church bouquet, for example. But I'd never buy a CAC or a Red punch unless it would be absolutely necessary. The reason is I'm almost never short of anything. And when I am, I simply dedicate one day to make them in large quantities. Even paint palettes or ostrich eggs or any other workshop product.

 

Arrouquelas,

Of course you're not dumb. That was not implied in any way in my original comment. How dare you say such a thing of yourself, when you are clearly not one? There's no right way of playing this game, therefore you cannot be dumb playing it, provided you do what makes you happy.

Going to your point: it all goes down to efficiency. If I can sell the ingredients for more than what the product costs in mkt, then I sell them and buy the latter, if I want/need to, or keep the ingredients for other purposes. Since both available space and my time are limited, the only way I (but, actually, anyone) can make the most of that limited space and that limited time of mine (hers/his) is to efficiently produce what makes sense to produce and buy the rest. Seen this way, making and having any products (or producing and consuming any produce of any kind, for that matter) always has a cost. Nothing's truly free, like in real life. Its actual cost is in the time you devote and -for those who spend it- RL money. So, the only way to assess in game what's best to produce/make vs. buy is market prices: it's there where the needs of all players converge and get balanced; anyone wanting to maximize her/his performance in game, if interested in that, has to optimize the best s/he can her/his space and own time usage; market is the only way to do that. That's exactly as in real life: someone pays you for teaching and you buy vegetables from the grocer who, at his turn, bought/buys again them from the producer, simply because no one can produce everything s/he needs, not at least in modern life, as no one can produce absolutely everything required in game all the time -particularly true for those who, like me, make nFHOs the very centre of all activity in game-. And this game is a kind of model of what happens in real life, let alone real farming. For me, it's the very reason why I play it. If I couldn't devise ways to optimize my activity and my space usage to maximize my output -which I mainly measure in EP/B-EP terms-, then I wouldn't be playing it.

But, again, this does not mean any other way of playing this game is wrong. Your way is OK with you and that's as fine as what drives me to play it, no matter how different my way may be compared to yours.

And, under my playing style, I cannot find a sound reason for striving to level up in Spa. I will, eventually, but as the result of normal activity, under the parameters I set for myself. This may change in the future, of course, if there is anything really groundbreaking that changes how Spa should be seen by me.

 

Hi The Cost of Making Crafts do very a bit from one Market to another, Many Crafts are not worth Making with very Little Profit to be Made, Some of them are not cost effective to make at all. That they are cheaper to Buy then to Make Them, It all depends the cost of fruits. crops and product prices in your market.

For Me and Mir85 we are able to make MOS sell them for profits. Then use the Proceeds to By Langos or Red Punches and Eat them to help Level up the Island. But Bear in Mind the cost of Making MOS can vary then can either get more expensive to make or cheaper to make.

Buying Langos, Chocolate Pancakes, Red Punches or MOS to help level up the island, Prices of these too vary in the markets. Again they can be cheaper to buy or more expensive to buy compared to current markets conditions. But Be Warned it can happen or has happen in my market that there is none to buy in the markets to help level up the island or fellow farmers are realizing they are not worth make to sell to make cc. As I always consider these factors too.

It appears the whole crafts prices, well in my market anyway seems to be coming down in prices as there is not much cc to be made from crafting like it was in the past you could make lots of cc in no time from crafting alone. It is with sadness that we have to make do with any profits we can make from now on.

I cannot hardly make any profits from Florist or Baker(except for Langos or Chocolate Pancakes just a small marginal profits from these), Can Make Profits from Spa Manger Making MOS, EM from Confectionery, The Prices of CAC in my market has fallen down to 40K each now. So not cost effective to make these now. I am now level 5 Confectionery, Got Plenty of CAC in my Barn. Really I just left to make EM to sell or used them.

There is no rush for me to level up the Spa Manager as I have maxed out Booster Spa Manager Points with Spa Manger Crafting Runes all unlocked. Which helps level up the spa manager with any crafts you make from there. I am Hoarder by Trade here as i am looking at other things to hoard to help make crafts or to sell to make good cc

I too use My Spa Manager to help my island. There are Three Methods we choose to do either

1) Make crafts and Then Eat them
2) Make Crafts to be sold for CC
3) Just Buy the Crafts and Eat Them, without the need of Crafting

 

Aluntino, I am glad you got your numbers right

pnp, I agree completely with all you said, and I would do the same But in my market I can quite often find red punch at 13000 or less. So I get the same amount of BEP plus a little profit. But it is my market which allows me to do this, if red punch sells for over 13500 there is of course no point.

Arq, I can really understand your point of view, I shared it earlier. The reason why I consider market prices now, is because it is my preferred way to decide if I am going to make 3 red punches or 1 MOS. I see that I could sell the ingredients to make 3 red punches and buy the ingredients to make a MOS, and I have made a small profit. Not that I will actually do it like that, but yes it does influence my general strategy. I grow all the vanilla I need, make sure I buy enough fruits from the market when it is cheap, and sometimes I sell grapes.

I can think of other ways to decide as well, it all depends on your playing style. How do you decide between making 3 red punches or 1 MOS?

 

I too often see the parallels between this game and Real Life interesting.

I've recently noticed the cost of the 4 Baha leveling products as above my threshold a lot lately. Part of my reason for looking for something else to spend CC on. Whether they are below/at/above the break even point of market costs... I don't know. Like my imaginary Green Card hubby... I'm not currently interested in devoting my time into the minutia of tracking the market every time I want to make something.

Besides... I think at some point, last year, I did a calculation similar to PnPs and decided it wasn't worth my time.

As I've said before in the old forum... my playing style is more casual than the Power Players... I don't feel the need for enormous amounts of CC, just enough to do what I need to do. Nor do I feel the need for certain other activities that turn into time sinks for me, such as tracking the market.

As to why I want to level the Spa to 5... I already have the Conf and Bakery at Level 5. The Spa has the next most interesting recipe at Lvl 5. AND because it's there. It's a goal.

On the other hand...
After reading your posts and another thread...
I think I'll spend my new found CCs on Leveling the Island instead. Unfortunately if I use Craft Prod I will have to raise my threshold on purchases because of the recent price creep.