I'm broke, again! How do I make ccs?

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  1. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    Thanks Aluntino. We are certainly together about the use of some cc value for power feed being time-consuming. I am really trying to avoid that too. Nice to know you tried it. I need to think about it a little while longer. This thought has now led me to thinking of a per hour or per minute cc equivalent for use of the mill. I hate to even begin to think of this. I wish to maximize ccs generation through efficient use of the mill. (Naturally some feed has a stronger demand than others.)

    I like the use of instantaneous decisions when working with breeding animals. I have no reason to pursue this further other than to take some of the guess work out of it. Thus far I would imagine that even if successful in my attempt, the determined cc value of the power feed will be much more useful in long run investment decisions and not at all useful in working with a newly introduced breeding animal.

    Agree with your message to sglick also. For very short run investments, the lettuce concept is quite useful. Yes, it may be used anywhere in the game. I don't think we can emphasize enough though that one must be somewhat aware of their own market dynamics in order to be easily successful. For 6 - 8 months I kept operating using the same lettuce mentality and wound up holding in excess of 5 million lettuce. During that time period I never ceased buying and there is only so much of any item one is able to sell during any period at a competitive price. The exact same thing happened when moving to carrots, wheat, and hay.
    sglick the Lettuce Lady. :) I luv it! sglick, at what price can you list 1000 lettuce and be the lowest? Quantity is important. Some of this you know for sure. An offering of a single lot of 9,999 eliminates many potential buyers for many reasons. The offer MAY also appeal to us if the price is low enough in order for us to raise make into smaller units and raise the price.

    If others are selling 1000 units of lettuce at a price cheaper than your offer then most likely your offers will sit on the market until the others have sold. And the low individual may return to the market and replenish the number of offers sold at a lower price than yours and you will wait even longer. Continue this waiting and your lettuce return to your barn. And thus you have invested even in that same lettuce. The amount is your 10% market fee which was not refunded. Question: What must you sell each unit of your 9,999 purchase at in order to make absolutely nothing? 1 unit, how much to make nothing and loose nothing?

    As we discuss this, just scan lettuce and get an even better feel for where you can sell the 1000 lettuce. Don't buy yet, but just keep an eye on low quantities and prices newbies offer. (Before long you may be buying these with no thought whatsoever, but just watch for a few days and realize what you see.)

    sglick I'm still fooling with vanilla acquisition. But I am hesitant, very hesitant.
     
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  2. Aluntino

    Aluntino Board Analyst

    farmer_broke,

    I indeed developed a tool to calculate profit/loss per milling hour for every single feed. I use it a lot, to both decide what to mill, what to buy, and what to sell, at what price. (In the past, I used to buy lots of feed from mkt for resale but I now do it only from time to time, with real deep bargains, defined by that tool and trends). I use to update it 2/3 times per week. It takes some minutes to input all the data needed (ingredients/feed mkt prices). Right now, in my mkt, top earner is spider's feed, at 8184 CCs of profit/milling hour, closely followed by dog's, at 6728; top loser is rooster's feed -which else could be...: LOL-, at 428 CCs loss/milling hour. I bought lots of rooster feed units when loss was equivalent to a ridiculous, hilarious, 10/12K CCs/milling hour. For several weeks anaconda feed stood at around 1K CCs of loss/milling hour (I have about 2000 of them in barn as a result).

    I wouldn't use the tool for assessing PF, simply because PF is not tradeable, just a means to some tradeable else. I assess tradeable items. Whatever PF I can mill translates into BBs saved (I breed a lot and PF is the only resource I buy with BBs). That's also why I always hire the monthly mill subscription with BBs: it is beautifully repaid time and again with what I do with what I mill there.

    EDIT: "loser" grammatical mistake corrected above; text unchanged.
     
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  3. sglick

    sglick Board Analyst

    Right now, no one but me is selling lettuce for more than 100 per transaction. I bought my lot of 9,999 lettuce @ 1.50 CCs. which is why I can remember it. I was aware when I bought it that the lettuce was .50 CCs above the price in the seed shop, but I hate growing lettuce so I buy it. The breakeven point 1.50 divided by .09 = 1.66. I still do not know the math for figuring out the 10% charged to sell am item.

    My lowest of the 2 prices is 1.90 CCs and then there is 5 pages of 1.91. My higher price is 2.00. The highest price overall was 2.71, but a Market Giraffe AKA developer put 10 sells of 100 units @ 3.13. Since I placed my 1st order, a farmer placed 2 orders of 100 @ 1.90, and then 2 pages of orders from various farmers have been placed at lower amounts. The lowest order is 10 orders of 100 units @ 1.74. 4 of these orders have sold.

    I do think that my bottom order will sell by tomorrow morning. I am still not sure if the higher one will sell at all.

    I fully comprehend that learning to sell lettuce will allow me to more efficiently sell other more expensive items on the market. I tend to grasp higher concepts easier as long as they stay in more abstract general terms. It is harder for me to understand the mechanical applications of these concepts. Which is why I have asked Broke to help teach me how to sell lettuce. I have very expensive goals for this game and I do not want to reach these goals by spending RM. I need to learn how to make the big bucks/ CCs so I can pay for many many many more Pink fluffy animals.

    Edit - Broke, I do not blame you for being hesitant about the Vanilla Thinges. If they pay off the way I hope they will. The price increase will not happen until the Coral Reef is introduced. My personal prediction for it's release for everyone is the 1st week of December - possible the end of December.

    This Reef will bring a whole new dynamic to the game. It is still unclear whether the Reef will use crops, animals and products to "unlock" these new components. My personal guess is that some will be needed. How much and of what is still a big mystery.

    I still feel good about investing in my 30K of Vanilla, but I would not recommend others to invest in it. Like, I originally said. I can always use the Vanilla to make MOS.

    Edit II - Yip-a-de-dip-a-de-do-da! My 1st lettuce sell of a 1000 sold for 1.91 CCs. Plus, those 5 pages have sold so the current lowest selling price is 2.00 CC. My order of 100 has 9 orders of 100 next to it. All are selling for 2 CCs.
     
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  4. Mooboy

    Mooboy Commander of the Forum

    Aluntino, What would you rather mill Power Feeds For Breeding, Save you Spending BB, Or Rather Mill Animal Feeds to Sell to Make CC.
    I always Mill to Make Power Feed Most of The Time, Except for Events or so mill some Animal Feeds.

    You Mention about Milling Dog Feeds and Spider Feeds as they are best two Feeds to Mill for CC. But to Mill each Spider Feed you need to use 1 Glowworm but Glowworm has been very high is price for ages, Guess what Glowworms are selling for more than Price of Spiders so it is completely pointless to Mill Spider Feeds. Because you can buy Spiders for Less than Cost of Glowworms or Spider Feed Prices in the markets. What Kind of idiot would buy spider feeds in the markets, where you can buy spiders for a lot less than that. The only explanation I can give some are trying to make a good profit from it but it very risking profit it could turn out into loss making milling time.
    It Makes a lot of sense that Milling Rooster Feeds you would be running at a lost, so it not effective to make Rooster Feeds. So The overall Picture of Milling Animal Feeds does not fit in to MY Farming Methods. I do Spend lots of cc buying Animals from the Markets instead quiet often i make loads of cc selling animals last week i Managed to sell Cows upto 3000 cc each.
    The Other Reason I am not into Animal Feeds Milling is that I Mill Power Feeds instead as you cant buy them with cc. Also I am crop farm as i Hardly get My Critter Pens out...But If i Finish Events Early I do lots of Poo Farming need lots of chicken feed for that.

    Broke.... you cannot really put a cc price or exchange Value to Power Feeds simply they are not tradeable. One of the Biggest factors of having loads of CC I can buy lots of Breeding Animals without the need to Waste a lot of Power Feeds to Make Pens, or Complete Events of Quests for Example I have used half as many Power Feeds to many farmers to complete the Specter of The Opera Quest. Simply I Managed to Buy those Operas and Poitou Donkeys From The Markets to Complete the quest, I did some donkey Breeding got some piotou and operas from it. Which became surplus in my Barn ....I am holding onto them until the last day until they sold out in the markets then sell them for best possible cc.

    About Milling Dog Feeds it Does require 1 BoneTree, which cannot by brought from the Markets can only be grown during MM Event, which happens once a month except for Halloween. There that is the two reasons why they are selling high price in the markets
     
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  5. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    @sglick rofl. Your Market Giraffe is probably not a developer. You are too funny. hahaha Play with the Giraffes and no gifts from Aluntino. Just letting you know.

    So 1.50 / .9 = 1.6667 or 1.67 . 1.66 is not correct. Just being picky because if you were to sell at 1.66 you will be loosing. One thing for certain, we must sell that lettuce we purchase for 1.67 just to get our ccs back. We make nothing and loose nothing. If you sell for ANY amount above 1.67 then you will make ccs. Let's list for 1.70 and we have

    List price 1.70
    commission (0.17) <-------10% of list price
    unit cost (1.50)

    Profit .03 ccs

    for 1000 X 1000

    Profit 30 ccs

    profit for 9,999 or say 10,000 is 300.

    So if you sell 10,000 units of lettuce for 1.70 that you purchase for 1.50 each, you will earn 300 ccs.

    Just hear me out. You are pretty sure you will be able to make the sale. You know that if you sell for anything beyond 1.67 you will earn a profit, anything.

    Try and get greedy and you will get nothing but the lettuce returned to your barn.

    Say I think I can sell for 1.99.

    list price 1.99
    commission (0.20) <-------10% or 1.99 x .10 is .1999 or .20
    unit cost (1.50)

    Profit .29

    for 1000 x 1000

    Profit 290 <-------like this better? Maybe so. But you also may be taking more risk by raising your price.


    So say we are comfortable selling at 1.70. We will run out of lettuce though.
    So what is the highest price we can pay for lettuce and make nothing by selling at 1.70

    Answer 1.70 X .90 = 1.53 1.53 1.53 1.53 1.53 1.53 :)

    If you pay more that 1.53 and sell the item for 1.70 then you will loose ccs for certain. The cheaper we buy the better. Once we feel good about the price point we have found being 1000 for 1.70 , we can just buy blindly and with no thought or computations. More on this later.

    Newbies don't have the market experience you have. Simply blindly buy all lettuce below 1.53 anytime it appears and sell for 1.70 and you make a profit.

    If you understand this part then we can go further. Just let me know.

    Although there seems to be little or nothing here, there is quite a bit which has been learned and one can function well in the marketplace knowing very little more.

    Here one is learning with an item which cost say 1.50. Cheap to make errors. Start playing with 500,000 cc breeding animals and it is a little more expensive to learn.

    And the .03 ccs do add up. Let me know if ANYTHING thus far is not clear.

    Question: Would you buy lettuce for 1.75 that you can sell for 1.90? Why or why not? :eek: Now don't guide me wrong. I know you wouldn't.
     
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  6. Aluntino

    Aluntino Board Analyst

    Ajjg,

    I both mill PF and animals feed for both my own use and sale. I keep pretty high stocks of every animal feed, generally above 400/500 of each one. Those I mill for sale are decided based on their profit per milling hour. In fact, the figures I gave above are based on milling times not affected by either the milling time reduction rune or mill subscription -that cuts, having that rune activated, by 60% actual milling time over the base one-; therefore, profits (and, obviously, losses) are actually higher than those I published there.

    As regards spider feed, it's not risky at all to mill it and sell it. It would if I milled by the thousands, something I don't do; therefore, glowworms cost doesn't really matter but profit does. Actually, I mill spider feed just for sale: I never put spider huts down and I buy any spiders I need over the 600-strong stock I have. So, it's just a way of making a profit. And I treat every feed the same way.

    Regarding dog's feed, yes, indeed, since it needs bonetrees, a non-tradeable item, I arbitrarily established a virtual cost of 100 CCs each for calculations. Which doesn't change its current very high profitability in my mkt. Since I noticed long ago it can be very profitable, I usually grow bonetrees during MMs just to have enough stock for milling them afterwards. (By the way, it's never as profitable as it is now; it usually is a mediocre profit performer and, for short periods, almost a loser; I buy them then, when they are almost at a loss).
     
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  7. sglick

    sglick Board Analyst

    Broke - Your explanation is clear with the math in a simplified format that I can follow. Thank you! You can expect an EM so you can sell it and not be broke for a second or two. :D

    No, I would not buy Lettuce for 1.75 and then turn around and sell it for 1.90. The breakeven point would be 1.93, but really it would be .02 higher since I have to pay 10% to sell which would make the lowest selling point 1.96.

    BTW, I sold the 1,000 units @ 2.00. I decided to be daring and listed 5 sales of 1,000 each listed @ 3.00 per sale.
     
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  8. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    sglck thanks for the EM. I sure will sell it and not be broke for a little while.

    sglick I just don't know what to think about you and the lettuce now. :eek: We better not go any further with this lettuce business until we get the solid results of your change in price. But I do have lots of good stuff to explain. But sglick ! How nicely can I say this? Got it! sglick have you gone insane? :) (of course I am teasing with you) But sglick have you gone totally mad? You change your price on lettuce from 2.00 to 3.00. Oh my! By that move you invited competition without a doubt. Unless you were able to sell immediately, which I doubt but does happen, you will find your lettuce wilting in the market place. Give farmers just a wee bit of credit (unlike the famous Aluntino). Some purchase lettuce regularly because, as you, they do not want to grow it. That gigantic price increase (price leap), with no call for lettuce, only indicates to me that sglick is trying out a get rich quick scheme. A get rick quick scheme! I want lettuce and sglick is trying to abuse me and take my ccs I farmed for weeks to earn.:D Why? I just don't understand.

    Even worse than that, sglick now openly told the regular lettuce sellers that sglick is the new kid on the block and wants to play. And they will play with you all right. If I saw that on my market I would not think twice to shut you down. I will make sure that you loose ccs and go to the point of loosing ccs just to get you out of the lettuce market.

    All the work you did in the past to get ccs is for naught. Who does sglick think sglick is? :mad: Just barge in on the lettuce market and raise prices from 2 to 3 for 1000. You can engage in a battle but your price increase is so extreme that others will join in tearing you down and not know what you are doing.

    Risk! You are taking it and if indeed you are right then your actions will pay off. But .... but ...... but ....well you know .... let's just say....the barn!

    I can't wait to find out what happened now. But I do think that now sglick has turned from the Lettuce Lady of Leisure into a Market Maniac. :) Don't worry sglick, I'm still with ya or whatever it is worth. But I can't wait to hear and I sure don't don't look forward to hearing a sad story but ... I would bet a CAC we all will. :D

    Regardless if you win or loose, there is a lot we can see with your fanatics. Thanks.

    sglick we all luv you here and everything is going to be alright ... 3 ccs! 2 to 3 ccs! oh my!
     
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  9. Arielh

    Arielh Living Forum Legend

    Thank you for telling me I had a lot of them and now I have a lot of CC!

    I finally have 4.000.000CC this is the first time I this rich!
    (I bet you have a lot of times more my money....):)
     
  10. sglick

    sglick Board Analyst

    :D:D:D:D:D Broke, you have me ROTFLMAO. HaHaHaHaHa :D:D:D:D:D

    The 1st thing I did this morning was check to see if those 5 orders of 1,000 Lettuce were still in my barn. I would love to keep you in suspense. They all sold! I bought a few lots - about 5 @ 1.52. Then the price jumped to 1.99 so I stopped buying. I have not listed anymore for sell, yet. I did look over the market. There are a lot more large orders of lots in 1,000 or 5,000 bundles @ between 2 and 3 CCs a piece so I am not the only Market Manic with a thing for lettuce.

    Ah shucks! I just listed another 5 lots of 1,000 lettuces @ 2.00. This puts me on page 5 with many 500, 1,000 or 5,000 lots ahead of me. Let's see what happens over the next 24 hours.

    Arielh - Congratulations on acquiring so much wealth. One thing that Aluntino taught me was to keep 5 Million CCs as a base. I try to keep this amount on hand at all times. This has come in handy when I have been able to purchase large quantities at a low price and quickly resell them at a higher price. I have only done this once or twice. Can't remember why now.

    My rule now is when I make a few Million over my 5 Million. Then I can go on a shopping spree. Mostly, I have shopping sprees to buy Pink breeding animals so I can complete the breeding quests.

    Arielh - I want to encourage you to come up with your own base amount to keep on hand and then come up with a plan as to what to do with the extra CCs. Maybe, you will be smarter than me and reinvest it so you can make even more CCs.
     
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  11. Aluntino

    Aluntino Board Analyst

    Arielh,

    (No, I'm not, because I not only heavily sell but also heavily buy. Now I'm standing at 7M CCs. But maybe -most probably- tomorrow I'll be at 11/12, perhaps even more...).

    Have you saved the Operas as I told you? They are now selling in my mkts from 420K to 600K. The ones I bought as a surplus to be sold today and tonight were bought in a range from 190K to 240K.
     
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  12. Arielh

    Arielh Living Forum Legend

    Μy base was not to get under 1 million(I was poor for a long time I usually had around 200.000CC) but now I will try to have a higher base and think about some ideas for getting CC.:)

    Aluntino I only save one opera and I will sell it now(I couldn't save more because I didn't breed a lot so I won't use a lot of PF). Like you said the price is very high now in the end!
    I have left with 6 Pack burro and the price in the market is around 38.000CC. Do you think I should sell them or just keep them for later use?
     
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  13. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    sglick, I am so happy your lettuce sold. I would have lost a CAC doubting you but ... you ripped someone off with your antics. Regardless, your feeling and intuition helped you and guided you in a profitable direction. I know people laugh about fooling around with lettuce. The following is only for your information and not necessary in order to make ccs:

    You bought at 1.50
    You computed what you must sell for in order to break-even (1.50 / .9) as 1.67

    We know there is a 10% listing fee.
    You sold at 3.00

    list price 3.00
    commission (0.30)
    purchase price (1.50)

    sglicks profit 1.20

    Now to compute you return on investment take you profit and divide by your original purchase price.

    1.20 / 3.00 = .40 or 40%

    (3.00 is the error. The correct value should be the 1.50 purchase price and not the 3.00 sales price. the return on invest is really .80 or 80%)

    sglick earned a return on the 1.50 lettuce investment of forty percent (40%).

    Nice. 40%. That is a nice return on your investment. Rarely will you earn a return of 40% on a breeding animal. Rarely will you earn a 40% return with anything here. Congratulations.

    Your return is great but there is only so much lettuce you are able to sell in a single day and your total profits for each day will be limited. Some people want a 10% return. They have their own personal reasons.

    If I have ccs and nothing to do with them, I will be satisfied with a 1% return, just give it to me. I did nothing.

    Now you know at what point you may sell lettuce. Also, you know the maximum price you may buy at in order to make -0-. Anything you sell at above that mark is profit.

    More importantly, if you pay less then you will make even more with no doubt. Now I do not want to be bothered keeping up with all those purchases of lettuce. I will purchase 1, 2, 5, 10, 1000, 9999, 50 or any quantity as long as it is below the price I will make a profit. So I just buy blindly each and every time I can. Yes I have some idea of how much I have paid for what I have but I know for sure I have not paid above my maximum purchase price. So ..... $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ...opps $

    You got it. And you can operate exactly the same way with any crop, product ....

    I play lettuce every single day just because I can. No, there is not a large number of ccs in it but the return on my investment is fantastic at times and hard to beat many times. If anyone bothers you about lettuce just tell um to "beat your return" and they will keep quiet because they do not know most often.

    Maybe you will help me. I want to know what my return on my investment was, if anything, on something I did today.
    I purchased a big monkey (gorilla) for 320,000. The next offer in the market was for 1 gorilla at 408,000.

    hmmmm My thought process: I can buy that and sell for 399,999.99 and make ccs. (I had 4 gorillas already so I acted like I would make a listing in order that I could view the market index. The market index showed 409,000.) To heck with anymore thought. I bought the big monkey and immediately listed it for 399,999.99 . I did not want to encounter the negative psychology anyone may have about buying over 400,000 so I stayed below it. I didn't even care about being the lowest offer. I just wanted those momentarily rich donkey breeders to fork over the ccs. And they did. (Get their ccs while you can. Most will not visit us here and don't know better. hahahahaha)

    In less than 25 minutes, my big monkey was gone. Did I make anything and what was my return on my investment. (I can care less about what the return actually is but since you are my friend, I want to know.)

    And the absolute truth is: I bought 2 gorillas at that price and sold them at 399,999.00 one at a time. I noticed the second gone in about 30 minutes. And I don't care what they do with them, where they go, how they get there, whether they eat golden bananas or not, .... just get them away from here. But did I make anything?

    And I did not care about what page I was on or if I could get more in 3 days or anything else. I wanted to be on page 1 and get those ccs. And they forked um over.

    And you go on a shopping spree when you get over 5M ccs. :cry: Why do I go on a shopping spree when I get over 100 ccs? :cry: :cry:

    Selling lettuce for 3.00 ccs! And got away with it. Wish I was on your market so I can see what I could get away with. I might load all the animal pens on the train. Simply amazing! The amazing sglick!

    Arielh, do you think you can give a poor farmer a loan? I mean a nice gift? xD

    Last thing for now sglick: slowly! And your get rich quick schemes are going to catch up with you too! Wow, the Lettuce Lady and her schemes!
     
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  14. Banjoman

    Banjoman Forum Ambassador

    Let's see what we get... You sold a Gorilla at 399,999 subtract the 320,000 purchase price and the 10% listing fee which was 39,999 for a total of 359,999 that netted you a Profit of 40,000 CCs at a 12.5% Return on Investment.

    ROI = Gain - Cost of Investment
    Cost of Investment

    This was after you checked your break even point was 355,555 or Purchase Price/.9

    A 12.5% Return Investment is not bad with Breeding Stock.
     
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  15. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    xDThanks Banjoman. Hope you are well.

    Agree, 12.5% return is not bad. I rarely even compute the return on investment now. If I have alternative investments then I may go through the trouble of doing it and I know it is much better to make the computation BEFORE making the investment and list than after. Here I was only after ccs. But this computation can help explain more about a lettuce investment in the game.

    sglick had a 40% (correction, 80%) return on lettuce and I had a 12.5% return. I like the 40% return but, experience in the market here has shown me that I cannot sell enough lettuce to equal the 40,000 cc profit I received in a day or even two or even three or even in a week in most instances. Do I wish I ignore the 40% (correction, 80%) return? NO! So I will play lettuce every single day, habitually, and take my great return. Again, only so much the market will bear in a day. The return on that breeding animal took less than 30 minutes. But I was able to sell 2, and earn 80,000cc profit, in less than an hour.

    So I continue to play breeding animals (I bought 6 more earlier today) while at the same time playing lettuce out of habit and with very little thought.

    I am really playing breeding animals as if it was lettuce. Same thought process, only the lettuce sglick was playing cost 1.50 each and the breeding animal I was playing cost 320,000. Although it takes patience and time, there is indeed a lesson to be learned through playing lettuce. If one down, learn to play lettuce, have profits and losses, then one will be able to take that knowledge and play other item much more efficiently. Want more?

    I do exactly the same thing with carrots, wheat and hay on a daily basis. I don't know what the return on the investment is but I am absolutely certain I am making ccs. I have used the .90 computation and played around with it.

    Generally, farmers don't want to bother with lettuce. They are above lettuce, so they think. In reality, they do not understand the basics in many cases.

    I attempted to guide others here by initiating a discussion of exchange value: Pinkie Pie pie! The exchange value is 29,005. The present market value on most markets is around 1/3 of the exchange. I have more than doubled by ccs earned by investing in this craft product. I smiled when someone here mentioned how valuable the product was. I believe it and have used it to extend the life of buffs by 30%. The craft market tends to move very slowly and I do not recommend investing in it unless one has a lot more patience than fooling around with lettuce.

    It has already been mention here that several craft items have increased in price. Exchange value analysis identified this product and the analysis has resulted in a more than double of the investment. Even if one does not understand or care to venture into the world of exchange values, I'm telling you I have more than doubled my investment easily with, there is growth potential, present market movement is only confirming the analysis, and you may want to take a look at it.

    I refuse to sink massive amounts of ccs into Pinkie Pie pie but am slowly increasing my holdings. Caution: Better returns are on the way. Patience will be required as it sells in low quantities at market price. The Market Giraffes are there (just look and laugh). xD
    xD xD The market index is fixed at 29,005 and will remain there for some time. The longer one wait to begin investing in it, the higher the price will get and the longer one will have to wait for profit and a rate of return. I have found very very few opportunities to play Pinkie Pie pie as if it were lettuce. Maybe our friend sglick will advise us all of some scheme to get rich quick. :)

    If you want to pet the Market Giraffes, go to Pinkie Pie pie.

    Mir85, timber has increased 32% above its market price of 4 months ago and peanut butter has fallen by just under 15%. There is more peanut butter in barns than timber. Farmers are not satisfied with their present holdings of timber and there are much fewer offers of timber than peanut butter. I go as far to say: Timber will significantly drop in price only if a timber tree is introduced and awarded insignificant quantities to buyers. (No need for me to even mention what exchange value analysis indicates. ) Looking forward to learn how you feel with the additional information.

    Mooboy, :) I can't wait until you try to reason with me. Mooboy is great!

    PS Aluntino, have you seen the beautiful Giraffes in Pinkie Pie land? They won't write me back so I won't play with them. How about a Pinkie Pie pie loan? I mean gift. xD
     
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  16. Jools

    Jools Forum Pro

    the original purchase price was 1.50 so the profit is 1.20/1.50 = 0.8 or 80%

    No wonder you're always broke if you throw away half your profit xD
     
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  17. Aluntino

    Aluntino Board Analyst

    farmer_broke,

    Unless some kind of earthquake is thrown at us by BP, PinkiePie prices won't steadily surge. Since the very beginning I said it's the single most valuable artisan product in game and even bought many at around 10K CCs each just because I knew it was so valuable that at some point it would surge (I even suggested Sglick to do the same then). But that's one of the cases of wrong assessment on my behalf.

    It won't steadily surge for a reason: though the pet produces just 1 every 36 hours, the vast majority of players use no more of 1 or 2 per week, if they do.

    My own farms tell me the story: in A., always buffed, I use to bridge between buffing sets and, therefore, I end up using one every, roughly, 30/36 hours; thus, my stock keeps more or less constant (except recently, when I started taking 5 of them every day I remember as leveling up booster for Bakery -just because I'm at the verge of turning lvl5 there; even so, my stock dropped just by 15% -currently at 200-); but in my two lower level farms, since I run them exclusively on PJ/CB, except on MM days, it never makes any sense to extend anything there with a PP; as a result, both of them have around 140/150 PPs in stock; I'd never ever sell such a valuable resource for the meagre CCs that are paid for them. Another reason why its demand is not strong is many players prefer to extend with PP several long duration buffs in one shot; for instance, to make them last a week or so -I've noticed many do that for events with various combinations of CAC with other things; by the way, I never do that, but many do, translating into them needing only 1 PP for even a whole week whereas they produce at least 3 or 4 of them-.

    Anyway, I sometimes play the profit grabbing thing: I buy many of them when they are sold at 4/5K CCs, put them to sleep in barn and sell them back when price gets around 10K CCs; but I don't do this quite often.

    Even demand from those who realized it's the best bargain for boosting Bakery's leveling up seems not to be enough to make it surge.

    So, something that's always over-produced gets at its turn over-offered while under-consumed and, therefore, I don't expect it to steadily surge. Again, unless the earthquake I mentioned happens.

    Arielh,

    I sold my 4 remaining Operas at 527K CCs each. I had bought them at around 200K. I hope you could make a transaction more or less as good as this one with the one you kept. I practically completed the Donkey Breeding event just by using the market (actually, I used around just 50 PFs on them, and much less than 200 donkeys, just to have additional bred donkeys for sale at the right moment). Result was very good. Though I got back all I invested and some 1/2M CCs in excess, I'm now back to 9,5M CCs in stock.... I told you: I'm not only a heavy seller but also a heavy buyer....
     
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  18. Mooboy

    Mooboy Commander of the Forum

    That is Cool to Make cc Aluntino, Buying and selling Donkey Breeding from the Markets.....It was hard at first to be able to buying any Breeding Donkey....I Think on second day they started to appear so grab what i could as cheap as i could before prices started to climb. I Made over 20 Million Plus cc.

    I too am big spender as i Spent around 8 to 9 Million CC too, Sold all surplus Breeding Donkey as much as i could they did not go as high as i would like in my market as i got a lot of competitors in my market with the surplus a lot of undercutting going on I just be grateful to what i got for them knowing the prices will starts to fall. I nearly sold all my donkeys for good cc so Please with that they too will be cooling in price.

    I will do the Donkey Quest Later on when the price of donkeys and breeding donkeys come down in price there is no rush for me to complete the donkey breeding quest, just do it when i feel like it that way i can do most of the quest cheaper later on....I have notice there seem to be shortage of Breeding Animals in my markets cos the Breeding Animals most of them have gone up quiet steeply all of sudden it good jobs i got lots of Breeding Animals in my barn just wait and see if i sell them for good cc

    I am trying to work Through the Breeding Quests using little or no power Feeds, But have lots of cc in My barn it now the highest it ever been, since i been doing a lot of buying of cc that been spending more than i am making lol. At the Moment there is not a lot of good buys in my market so i keep looking.....I am still hoarding away :D
     
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  19. solotime

    solotime Count Count

    @Mooboy, how many CC you got?
    My amount is 120 million. I got lots of breeding animals left to sell.
    But only at least 4 million worth of them.

    I used 3200 powerfeed.
     
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  20. Mooboy

    Mooboy Commander of the Forum

    I got just over 128 Million CC, Also have over 200 Million Plus Worth of Breeding Animals in my Barn too I only Used about 200 Power Feeds. Completed The Specter of The Opera Quest too.
     
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