I'm broke, again! How do I make ccs?

@Jools

Thank you very much for quoting me correctly. And you have aided this discussion in a way you will see:

Now you think about this as you attempt to enter into this league. First you must thoroughly comprehend that I nor sglick threw away a single cc as you suggest. Not a single one. All types of farmers do not understand and you have now contributed greatly. Truce before I tell you this. The 1.20 profit does not change with an after the fact computation of any kind. I, nor is sglick, anymore broke or wealthy regardless of what you computed as the return on the investment. I needed someone to criticize me exactly how you did, but hopefully even harsher, for 5 reasons:

(1) Jools's spotting of the error, which is obvious to experienced market payers in NO WAY changes the profit of 1.20 in the example. It is what it is. More on this in number 3 below. The profit computation is correct and can be done in the same manner without exception, no exceptions. I want this one accurate if I make it before purchasing an item for resale though.

(2) If one is to communicate knowledgeably with those who understand these matters then to gain a little respect and understanding, try use of the proper terms. (A whole thread here is regarding one seeking a market level.)

.80 or 80% as mentioned by Jools is NOT the profit. Do not be confused. No wonder Jools is not in this league making wild use of terms with a definite meaning. .80 or 80% is the return on investment. 1.20 /1.50 is indeed .80 or and 80% return on investment. The nice part about this is that even though the computation which is stated at .40 or 40% is incorrect, it did not change our profit realized. (By the way, the Big Monkey computations are presented without error but an after the fact analysis which COULD NOT affect the wealth earned anyway....no way.)

One learning may wish to make the .90 computation several times using the proper values until the computation is second hand. One will sometimes needlessly pay for errors made here.

Only one computation must really be mastered to earn ccs. purchase price divided by .90 gives the break-even point for an item purchase that that price. Those who do not enjoy math need not worry, just learn one computation to keep from loosing. Just one.

(3) Now for the reason Jools or anyone else who thought of responding in such a manner, was SET UP. Again, thank you. The return on investment, often abbreviated ROI, is indeed 80% and not 40%. Banjoman and I communicated and like the 40%. BUT IT IS 80% An 80% return sglick received for what? ...lettuce. Now find it elsewhere. Extremely hard to find.

sglick earned an 80% return on her investment. Rarely does one find it in breeding animals. I do not always earn 80% on lettuce either. But it is no uncommon for me to do so.

AGAIN, THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH LETTUCE ONE IS ABE TO SELL IN A DAY and reap the fantastic return. And this is the reason I play lettuce every single day. The erroneous 40% was more than satisfactory for all. But 80%?

(4) Just as one was set up to correct the error, the market may also be set up to get the ccs out of a single buyer. Aluntino or Mooboy are better to explain setting up the market for breeding animal sales. I will not even attempt to walk on their turf.

3.00 list price
(.30) commission
(1.50) purchase price

provides profit of 1.20

to accurately compute ROI profit / investment 1.20 / 1.50 is .80 or an 80% Return on Investment

This is a game and many unnecessary computations are just accepted and do not affect ones immediate ability to make ccs.

As mentioned previously above, Return on Investment becomes a consideration in the decision to invest process when one wishes to make a choice between alternative investments. Using it after the fact, if not considering the .90 computation, will result in one painting a picture of one's farm going down the tube.

Thanks again Jools. And I really would like to take all viewpoints into consideration with regard to Pinkie Pie pie. If you dare, share! I da want to be broke.

Been on a shopping spree spending millions on who knows what. I am looking forward to being flat broke again soon. And it will happen.

Mooboy, I'm going to try and reason with you real soon. And I won't set ya up. But I will try some nonsense.

Now there is no telling what sglick, the Lettuce Lady, will do now knowing the return on investment from fooling with lettuce was really 80%. I can't imagine. Got it now sglick? (Another way of looking at the 80% return sglick received is: sglick invest 1 cc and got her original investment back and another .80 . Fantastic and congratulations again.

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Need to poke at Mooboy a little: I disagree with you and your spider feed analysis. It is not useless to mill spider feed as it can be sold at a much greater profit than the total of the ingredient, a glowworm. You're trying to fool me! Now it is useless to produce a spider using spider feed either you buy or produce. But some do. Think about it. (Just like old times. Mooboy is my hero. hahahaha) Mooboy you are working on my last nerve but you inspire such amusing thoughts. Come on Mooboy, grab the worm. lololololol

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Mooboy and Aluntino,

A change in on the way that will include the breeding animal market. I have mentioned aspects of what I see here and tried to draw it out of someone else but have been unsuccessful. I can tell you this with as much certainty as I told all about pheromones: The cost of both pheromones and pink jelly will be reflected in the prices of breeding animals. Developers are acting slowly and with purpose in order to extend the life of this game and maintain, and even increase, profitability of this game. We have time as this change can, but will not, be implemented overnight. I want us all here to be easily successful.

If you have time, try this: start with the highest level breeding animal and observe everything you can along the way as you work your way all the way back to planting the seeds. Do this several times observing more and more and you will see . Observe everything especially the components of each and try and remember the calls and the order in which things have happened. Slowly, but do it several times. You will see things that make no sense individually but make complete sense if you can see the big picture. Market Vultures, like Debbie1725, will do well at times.

Aluntino, I want to invest in your market through your farm. I really want to work with Jools as Jools is very observant! BUT I WANT A RETURN FROM MY INVESTMENT FROM YOU BOTH!

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I am clearing 1 crop from my market in a second. Can you see what it is from my nonsense?

 

I like to Explain to All of you who make postings here on your Methods, Tactics,Strategies just to show respect we all have our own ways to make cc. As we all say that my Method or Strategies is Better Than Yours Etc, you shouldnt be doing it that way, you should be doing it My Way or Suggested Way.
As we all Understand that we can make good cc or lots of Playing Markets By Browsing the Markets for Bargains, Or on Spending Spree as we all love to SPEND SPEND SPEND lol, but some of us are conservative or is more practical in our SPENDS, meaning I am Savvy Market Buyer with My Spends
I Try to Work out or have hunches, or I know for a Fact from my Resources. Where the Up and Coming Supply and Demands are before Events FAQ appears in the Forum or Even Days Before The Event Start.....Most of the Time anyway....as The Grapevine Does not want to give too much out as The Grapevine does not like me putting Facts i know for sure even days before the Event FAQ is out.
But really I Tend to Suss out where the Trends are in my Market or go on my Hunches. To Make good cc all depends on your market Pricing structure... some markets pricing it much cheaper than other markets, Then there are markets where pricing is a little too high for those who aim is to make Profits of Making good CC
As Broke and I have many discussions in the Past about Investments using the Markets. There are 4 Types of Investments

• Long Term Investments (Crops, Fruits, Animals or Products) These can be either New Crops, Fruits, Animals or Products That have not been asked for in Farm Society Quests or Events or Stocking up Based on Exchange Values for such an event as Harvest Hoedown event which is Based on Exchange Value Donations Event Potential To Make Lots of CC (Upto 1 year Approx)
• Medium Term Investments (Crops, Fruits, Animals or Products or Animal Feeds) That has been asked for in Events and Farm Society Quests in the Past. But are very Likely to Be in Demand again. Also BigPoint likes rotate Barn Stock Requirements so it balance the game and the Markets a bit, Therefore you subtract what had been asked for in Events in last 6 Months Potential To Make Lots of CC (Upto 6 Months)
• Short Term Investments (Crops, Fruits, Animals or Products or Animal Feed) That we know for sure using English or European Forums That Will be ask for in the Up Coming Official Events FAQ. For Example We know that Donkey Breeding was in the Pipeline and will be starting within 3 Months. In Order to Make lots of cc is to Grow Lots of Donkeys, Mill Donkey Feeds, stock up on Oats, Dates,Donkey Feeds and Donkeys, When the Donkey Breeding Started you can Make loads of CC from it. Your Efforts of Making This kind of Investments will make you richer. Just from One Event !!! Potential to Make Lots of CC (Within 3 Months)
• Immediate Investments (Crops, Fruits,Animals,Products, Animal Feeds, Even Breeding Animals. During Donkey Breeding There was an Short Timed Quest Called Specter of The Opera. Snap up any New Breeding Donkey that appears on the Markets, as soon as the Event Starts. To Start with The Profit Margin Ruler that we use to choose to sell the Item. Is set to Minimum Due to no previous ones was sold earlier. To Maximize the Profit Margin so they we are able to sell it for more cc. You have to Wait until that item has sold a few. Where an Item is sold it flags the Profit Margin Ruler to increase the Margin a bit More so you are able to sell it for more cc. The Method is to hold onto them for about a day or two then sell them for a lot more what you paid them for !! I was lucky Brought a Golden Donkey for 6.5 Million cc sold it for 13 Million cc. The Poitou Donkey and Opera Donkey is Required to Unlock The Orange Donkey Upgraded Pen, Also the Orange Donkey Production Pen Upgrade in Specter of The Opera Quest. These Two Donkeys will be highly sought after, Due to the Fact to all those who will Frantic Breeding Donkeys. It was be very hard and rare for many farmers to get 7 Poitou Donkeys and 3 Opera Donkey that is needed for the Quest. Many Farmers are Quiet Happy to Pay a lots of CC for these Donkeys. So if you been able to snap them up at cheaper price, can sell them before the event ends are much higher price, the higher breeding Donkeys is not required for Specter of the opera Quest, but can still make lots of cc when sold at the right time, Do not sell them to early, or a little bit too late as you have to make allowance that some farmers will be able to win golden donkey on the wheel or got very lucky with donkey breeding skips. It Best to sell them when BB event Ends

Another Method if you spot anything that is undervalued to your opinion, or got lucky found a bargain snap it up. So some poor farmer who have miss priced it when selling it to the Markets.
If you look at the Event up and coming Event FAQ, as soon as it appears in the Forum, you can workout where lots of cc to be made it all depends of Quantity of what it is asking for, also any Rare things or out of the Blue it ask for such as Brown Breeding Animals is ask for in previous event

 

Jools and Broke, I would like to correct your mistake on computing ROI (Return on Investment)
40 or 80 % ROI is wrong, See the following computation which can be verified using your favorite search engine.

ROI=
Gain - Cost of Investment
Cost of Investment

The Commission Price and the Purchase Price are the Cost of Investment (who paid this? You the investor)
It should be 1.80 CCs with a 1.20 CC Gain = 3 CCs (Sell Price)
(.30+1.50)

Therefore 1.20-1.80 or .60/1.80
1.80

Or a 33.33333333% ROI
To proof this 1.20+33.34% = 1.80 (the price of the Cost of the Investment)

I have enjoyed this thread very much and look forward to the different buying and selling strategies that make this game fun along with the personalities.

 

Hello Banjoman,

Purely academic now.

I thoroughly understand your calculation.

Our difference here is the inclusion of the .30 as a cost of the investment.

I do not and you do include it as a part of it. Being that this is a measure which is used primarily for comparison of alternative investments, one must clearly understand the inputs. I am certain we both do.

.30 is a cost to generate the sale and not a cost of the investment itself. It is an expense of sale. I know where we are headed. Your argument is that any expense of sale should be added to the investment. And there lies the problem: convincing one that the cost of the sale is a part of the investment. The next is does one attempt to include the cost of other profit forgone?

And if you just want to multiply numbers: 1.50 X 80% is 1.20 (and we will return to the discussion of whether the .30 is indeed a part of the investment)

I have used both ways. We can argue this point.

I can only conclude that regardless of how the .30 is seen, as long as one is consistent then that consistency will lead to comparability.

Ones decision to invest or not using ROI will not be altered by the standard 10% charge regardless of what the actual amount is. Either include it or don't. For ease in communication with others in this forum and thread, I will not include it. (In finance discussions, selling expenses serve as an initial point of clarification and nothing more. When there are no other expenses that vary among investments we do not include them.)

And you may rest assured I did not want this discussion to go this far. Many do not want to use any math skills.

I also enjoy reading the thread and the personalities which surface and the different opinions and strategies. I truly believe we have a fine group of people participating here. We have all done quite well.

Unrelated question: Do you think that developers would assign an exchange value to an item and set the market index so that it will not move unless surpassed and therefore have an index which will not ever move. I can see where the various indexes are fixed for a while and then begin to move with time and changes in the game. Rarely have I seen an index return and remain fixed. <---- This is the argument 2 players with massive barns and both holding in excess of 700 million ccs are making to me.

 

Actually you'll find that; (source wikipedia)
return on investment (%) = (Net profit / Investment) × 100
Net profit = gross profit − expenses.
investment = stock + market outstanding + claims.
Therefore net profit is 1.50 (gross) - 0.3 (expenses) = 1.20
investment is still 1.50 (just stock), so my original 80% still stands.

the gain is the difference between cost & sale price, if you sell for less than you paid it's a -ve gain (or loss)

a 33.33% return on your 1.50 would be 0.50. You can have that if you like, Broke can have his 40% but I'll stick to my 1.20 or 80% profit I think.

Here is one for you. I sell 300 units of poop from my donkeys at 18.55 per shovelful - what is the return on that?

 

Jools, I clearly explained the reasons the intentional error was presented and have even corrected the examples. You did what was set up for someone to do and again I openly thank you. We helped others.

I have even given all the defense Banjoman has made a good point and it is legitimate and surfaces in practice as well as in academic discussions in the classroom. And the point made is solidly defendable.
Now whether or not you believe I, personally, cannot add or subtract is entirely up to you and of no concern to me. It's hilarious .

We will loose everyone if we continue with this discussion by attempting to compute donkey poop return on investment. Will not be set up for that discussion. I'll watch to see if anyone takes the bait and see how you do. On your own.

If a winner is needed here, you win. I loose. I'm finished with it. I'm a looser again .

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Are tree fruit prices rapidly increasing on other markets? Also, timber prices have been up for a couple of weeks now. Feed prices are also up it seems.

I mentioned I cleared all of a crop from the market. The market readjusted. The number of offers has more than doubled on that crop, quantities offered are much much much larger, and the low price is now nearly 15% above what it was before my antics .

 

Is that a case of won't compute the return or can't?

 

For an item sold at 3,00 after having paid the sales tax of 0,30 and having bought it at 1,50, ROI is 1,20 (net gain = 3,00-0,30-1,50)/1,50 (item cost) = 80%. What's so difficult to understand?

Poo ROI is calculated exactly the same way. Obviously, farmer_broke can calculate it, as he can obviously calculate it for everything else. The kind of item doesn't matter. It could be a used dirty handkerchief that belonged to Marilyn Monroe sold online at a ROI equivalent to several thousands of a %....

farmer_broke,

I won't comment again on a subject I've already extended myself before. I'm now selling my tunnel ostriches -yesterday I sold 2 of them-, bought at or below 200K CCs, at 460+K CCs each (ROI, for those who care about it, if cost was 200, it's over 100%, 107% to be exact). It has nothing to do with pheromones, pink jelly or developers. But it has a lot to do with how that market was "worked" for a known typical demand. Guess worked mainly by who, who's been studying that market for months now, since ostrich breeding intro. And you perfectly know how to do it. So, do it. There you have your return on my investment of my time in your thread.... LOL.

(By the way, I finally had your PJ with 3 fields of potatoes. They loved each other so much to the point potatoes yielded an additional seed per plot at harvest...., some productive love....).

 

(broke now talking to himself)


broke are you an idiot? Why do you even think of responding to Jools?

Well Jools is cool and ...

broke you said your were finished and in English

but Jools is okay ....

But nothing! broke, Jools is going to drive you crazy

well, I might ...

broke STOP IT NOW! Go sell a donkey or something and make some ccs.

daaaaaaaaaaaa


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Are donkeys still selling at a good price on your market?

 

Probably the only person that would listen to what you have to say

Glad you've realised

 

(broke still talking to himself)

broke, STOP with Jools! Delete what you typed and NOW!

ok ok ok. I need to say something to Jools

Not like that you don't. Do what your farmwife said too!

Whaaaaat?

You know she said "Stop talking to yourself, people going think you crazy."

I think I better stop then. May I ask Jools something?

N O !!!!




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Just picked up 3 of the cooking products. The exchange is only 650. I do not believe the sliding market index is always initially set at the exchange. I cannot accurately say.

This purchase is exactly like the purchase of the first breeding animals to come out. I will ride the market up. The cooking products were listed as high as possible. With subsequent sales at the maximum list price, the sliding market index will increase. The same happens with each new animal, tree fruit, or product. Until the sliding index is pressured forward by listing prices, it will not move. Once I see this product on the market in high numbers and the index fall slightly, I will dump them and go on my merry way shopping.

Just like any other new item introduced. When/if the market index falls below the initial set value then the market index will return to its initial setting and will not move again until market forces dictate.

Just cleared pages and pages of Bikini with sliding index set at 2200 which happens to be the exchange value. This is a move for players with ccs who understand the market. This is not like lettuce. But the most important computation is the same (the .90 computation).

Now that I cleared it up to 2300, I will have to buy buy buy and attempt to hold it above the price of 2200 so the index will move. I want to keep it from falling once it has risen until I can get a profit from the clearing act. Risky, yes. Check your market at 2200 for Bikini and you will have a sense of what I a willing to try. I am willing to invest another 10 million ccs to do it. I know from exchange value analysis that supplies have been falling in barns. Right now I do not believe that 10 million is enough to do it.

I know I can recoup a portion of the investment anyway. I will suffer a loss but I can learn from this thread how not to be broke. I know I can list and sell in lots of 100 to 130 at 2199.99 . I will stay just under the index of 2200. Need ccs to play and I have already figured that my foolishness fails I will loose 150,000 to recoup. I will loose that if I buy no more and sell at 2199.99 .

hahaha Less than the cost of a mid level breeding animal but still a loss.

Aluntino, why are you growing potatoes? Do you sense something? hahahaha


-----Update-----

Market index for Bikini up. Rise to 2244. Now many pages of offers above mine. Did buy more below 2000 so little risk of loss. Always looks good at first. Can end tragically. No problem with any gain and loss is predictable and can be handled. Only the .90 computation absolutely necessary.

There is always price resistance prior to the market index beginning to move with the exception being a newly introduced item.

---update 2---

Market index has fallen back to 2200. There are no listings on the market below mine at just over 2600. Buyers will be slow in arriving as the market digests the change. If, indeed there, is actual need to complete quests or to build stock if farmers sense a permanent increase then this is a done deal.

Picked up 2 more cooking pots. Now an easy donkey ride up to riches

The strategy is to try and time the sale as near the top as one's intuition guides them and not get greedy. Take a profit with minimum risk and then sit in the stands and watch the games. Moonlight craziness is going on in one field and I da know what is going on in the others. But something is eating away the time.

---update 3---

Index up to just over 2350. Over 400 offers on the market. I'll hold off on spending an additional 10 million. Little resistance if movement continues so now I'll watch the games and hold my cheaper inventory.

Quick 30k profit made with cook stuff so I'm out. Now will play like lettuce. Same process. Do not wish to hold any inventory as market will fall. cya

 

Oh dear I think I've pushed Broke over the edge - will he ever return to normality?
Come to think of it, was he ever normal anyway?

Jools, are you talking to yourself? OMG - whatever it is, it's contagious!!

 

No, farmer_broke, I don't sense anything about potatoes. They perfectly fit then, watered, in the time left for a running CAC/ZAB set and their stock had fallen below 12K, which is my critical minimum for all below 00:25-02:00 ( non-watered) crops. But I was working then, got distracted and the CAC/ZAB set expired before I harvested them. So, I decided to match your PJ with them (that PJ had a hard time parting with the other 140 of its kind, but just to find happiness with those potatoes...).

Bear in mind demand from nFHOs. These are the centre of gravity of all my activity in farm. They can easily shave up to 600/700 units -that's the maximum I've seen- of a single crop in a single day, even 2/3 days in a row, any crop (as it can shave 20/30 products or 150 fruits of one kind in one day; the same happens with other things except for bred animals, not affected by nFHOs). So, if you're a nFHOs-centered player, minimum stocks below several thousands -of any crop- can leave you standing naked in the storm in the wink of an eye. Therefore, this explains many sudden short-lived bubbly surges in demand -and, hence, in lowest listed price- of some crops/fruits/products/animals -as I explained in answer to that thread hatzeva opened, asking about the 2-4 hs growth time crops range-.

 

And there can be indirect calls. I need approximately 225,000 potatoes to survive a quick direct call of potatoes; a direct call being an event. I require about the same but over twice the amount of time for an indirect call. Holding several thousand will not allow me to service the market. I require several hundred thousand.

What are potatoes used for here: feed feed feed feed. What is called for in this event: animals which require feed feed feed feed.

Pages and pages of potatoes were cleared from the market several times in the last three weeks. You bet cheap elephant feed has been gathered. My friends just might want to speculate with elephants.

Aluntino, glad to see you made good use of the pumpkin jam. No need to worry about parting with 1 of your 140. Just say the word and I will be more than happy to part with another of the approximately 7,500.

Corn is also being indirectly called for. Price movement will be slight immediately as barns have enough to meet immediate need but not satisfactory inventory levels. I'll just hold over 1 million and play other's corn like lettuce.

Hay, carrots, and wheat are a different story.

There is more on the way down the pipeline. I know you won't respond to me, but you might want to reconsider your thoughts of exchange value and apply what you find to the breeding animal market. Then apply it to the trade product market. Crystal clear!

broke....broke Why are you telling your friends all this? You will cut have competition!

I like my friends here.

broke, ... you know .... go for a donkey ride will ya.

 

farmer_broke,

There's no need for me to discuss again what I've already wrote about, extensively. Re-read my previous posts on the subject. I've already talked there about the "food (or any supply) chain". I've even highlighted you always point this out, correctly. You can safely bet that I take that into account and act accordingly, hoarding from market as time goes by whatever I know will eventually go up in price.

But I don't need exchange value for that kind of assessment, I'm sorry. No one does. What everyone does need is understanding of chains, how things interlink and influence each other, across markets.

The problem with you, I reckon, is that you've become into an exchange value fundamentalist. But you fail to see -or play that you fail to- that other approaches also work, maybe even better than yours at their own scale and goals (and I'm not referring to me: we are pretty much alike, in essence, though I find fundamentalisms rather revolting). For instance, Mir's.

So, please, don't insist with me about purely exchange value based market analysis. You don't even apply it as fundamentalistically as you try everyone to convince you do. Your own corn example tells so, crystal clearly.

As regards potatoes, I don't sense anything different than what I do sense with other produce essentially part of other chains. The potato stocks I keep are good enough for getting a smart profit when those demand peaks happen and my daily nFHOs' demand. I need the CCs for heavily playing other markets.

Go back to your giraffing thing. This player won't fund it.... LOL.

 

ouuuuuuuuuu wweeeeeeeeeeeee

I agree with a little you write. I dare not try and explain exchange value here with regard to potatoes. And growing potatoes is far far from even my wildest imagination.

The only thing I insist that you do is stick to the limits of your manner of analysis and do not attempt to consider what was partially presented to you.

Broke .... This is the last time I am going to tell you.

Ok. I'll listen. Tell me!


Before your friends can even attempt to comprehend such an advanced technique they must first understand the basics.

I'm sorry, I really tried.

Now take that exchange value trash back to the super wealthy experienced players. Understand?

Well I only want my friends to exceed the limits of common routine analysis. And .

And nothing! Look, sometimes you help people best by not helping them at all.

But anybody can see the common way.


Broke! Broke! I'm finished with you........ Go play with the Market Giraffes and plant some lettuce.




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The end !

 

Hope everyone made ccs if that was your intent. Almost went to -0- but not quite this time.

The end of the present event is an opportunity to see several aspects of this game which relate to the market:

(1) Weekend only players are leaving and weekday only players are now returning.

(2) Desperation sellers are present and may be only weekend players hoping to get rid of items and build ccs in their absence or all time players who may have spent ccs in order to complete the event.

(3) Many markets which were ridden up during the event may be ridden down while cautiously buying and earning ccs.

(4) Some crops and animals which were not in demand during the event will suddenly be active.


I do not keep any records, sadly, but in order to keep some track of how long I have before an item is returned to my barn if unsold, I will use a portion of the list price for that purpose. 122.02 will mean to me 2 November and I know I have 7 days.

One idea for thought: Perhaps make certain to include some fraction of a cc in a sales price. For instance, instead of merely listing at 19, maybe a few more ccs may be generated by listing at 19.28 or 19.69 ..... any fraction of a cc. With time and number of offers, this action will add to ones wealth. There is a whole psychology to the practice of setting sales prices which may be considered and utilized.

--- Edit---

Hot sales: Tree fruit with exchange values in excess of 100. Farmers are preparing for the Harvest Hoedown event. If indeed there is a competition requiring high levels of donations of items, measured in terms of exchange value, the most efficient donation will be tree fruit.

On some markets sales will be brisk as last minute farmers shop. Quantity is not as important as price. Farmer who buy are buying in any size lot with price the only standard. And this includes Baha tree fruit!

Long term profit potential is in pink jelly. Nothing in it to make it. Just yet! (If anyone cares for the reason I can explain with support.)

 

I am interesting why you think the price will go up for pink jelly...
Is it because there are a lot of breeding events?

 

**** Parrot feathers are also being acquired as a product to donate. Careful not to overprice but any size quantities are being acquired for the purpose of donation. ****

@Arielh
Due to poor profit of many trade products, my trades are unlocked, not operating, and simply collecting the drop items while waiting for a better day. My search for new cc making frontiers lead me back to the trades. As time passed I realized many do not understand the mechanics of the trades and even fewer know how to use the resulting buffs efficiently. Somehow we must find a way to assist one another. Again, as many have emphasized, there is no correct way to play this game. However, there is an efficient way if one desires to do so.

Some produce Pink Jelly in order to level up the Confectionary, although there are cheaper products one can buy and eat to do so and without using ones available sugar.

I am aware that many are not ready to entertain an exchange value analysis AND to complicate the Pink Jelly matter at hand, there is NO exchange value for Pink Jelly nor for other saleable Confectionary products (and any other crafts in the trades).

HOWEVER the word "VALUE" is used in the FAQS regarding the trade products. The term "VALUE" is loosely used as there are several different types of values and each with a specific meaning. For instance there is: exchange value, market value, liquidation value, expected value, or resale value (inconclusive list).

The "Value" assigned to Pink Jelly is 3,910. (If you want to get into how this was determined I do have an answer ... Just let me know.)
In the old forum with FAQs this may have been described as the suggested value. (Look in your barn for the exchange value of these products and you will find none but for the basic products used.) The new FAQS do have these "values."

The ingredients to make Pink Jelly are:

10 apples
10 pears
10 water
100 strawberry
100 rhubarb
40 sugar

Say strawberry cost 35 on a market so 35 x 100 is 3,500. Whaaaaaaaaaaat!
And the market value on most, but not all, markets is around 1000 for pink jelly today. (So one looses for sure at this time when producing.)
And the maker gives away 2/3 of the proceeds from strawberries and gives for free ALL of the other ingredients. (And they won't send it to me..boo hoo hoo) Not too sensible to me but okay!

----> There are market giraffes already posted and selling at 3,910 and above. <-----

So I begin buying a Pink Jelly every now and then at 250 then I buy a few more and get 10, then I get to 50, then to 100 ...

and there suddenly is an increase in the frequency of breeding (and this is driving demand and prices as intended)

and pheromones get so expensive that Pink Jelly becomes a cheap alternative and/or is used in combination with pheromones.

And I keep buying and get to 200 ... then to 500 ... then to 1000 and ...

The market prices now has it such that my profit from selling now is over 300%.

Why think Pink Jelly or pheromones is not being reflected in prices of breeding animals? Pink Jelly and pheromones were so cheap at one time that they were inconsequential, immaterial, to consider. And to continue with this line of thinking is flawed given price increases of Pheromones and Pink Jelly and the resulting breeding animals. (And the breeding animal market continues to be unstable and slowly adjusting --- another time for that matter.)

Not all farmers are foolish and to continue making Pink Jelly and selling to continuously loose is like cutting ones own throat and the practice is changing and SLOWLY. Little else is sustaining strawberry prices today except feed and barn supplies are falling. Prices of finished feed indicate it.

The demand for Pink Jelly is being spurred by the increase in breeding events created by the developers. Cheap stocks of pink jelly are being replaced by stocks of higher priced due to higher priced ingredients and demand.

Beginning to buy now probably will not result in immediate profits as many low level crops can. Many months have passed until earning the over 300% profit and the return is not disputable. Whether one wishes to consider pink jelly as another avenue for cc making is tough.

Wanna sell some Pink Jelly? Price it right and save me the trouble of buying in 1s and 2s.

This is NOT the investment to begin building wealth as there are others.

Yes, increase of breeding event frequency is driving prices, demand, and needless to say power feed sales by BP in order to increase revenue while making it attractive to convert RL money into worthless ccs.

There is more regarding Pink Jelly if wish.

(PS I am even growing some stuff thanks to the suggestions of others here. I da like it but I am willing to try it.)

 

@Broke, just go sell a Banana already... they bring in like 70 to 80 CC.