Comic #8 - Strategy

Nope, no trees, no workshops, no stables, nothing. Only the event crops (cubed watermelons), the animal trophy and the farmer's trophy on all my lands. I had cleared everything to make sure I would be able to maximize the EP I could get for step 1.

Will do. Hmmm... Hadn't thought about that yet. I'll write the amounts down now, while the Cubed pumpkins are still growing, and I'll write the totals down after the harvest of each field. That should hopefully give a bit more insight I'll have to wait another hour and then I can harvest everything.

Thanks for helping me solve this, everyone! Maybe I'm just missing things, or seeing things or.... whatever. But I'd like to get it clearer So thanks for helping me getting it clearer!

ETA: okay, I can't harvest yet, but I've done a calculation for my mainfield only. I've got ZAB, EM and CAB activated. On the comfortfields I had SSG also activated. I know the Comfortfields gave 246.9 EP per 2x2 plot. For some reason I did remember that number. No idea why.... just call me weird
Anyway, I had the mainland planted with:
44 comfortfields (with SSG, water, SG)
24 normal 1x1 plots (left 2 1x1 plots open for the trophies, since I don't have the LL rune yet). (without any SSG, water or SG)
This should give me calculated total of: 11468.4 Event EP. If I'm correct, of course.
I got 10500 in the timer. This means I'm missing 968.4 event EP only from one harvest of Cubed watermelons on the mainfield.

Once I can harvest my Cubed Pumpkins, I'll report the results here.

Thanks again for all the help, everyone!

ETA2: Okay, I've just harvested All Cubed Pumpkins.

Baha:
Full field of 1x1 Cubed Pumpkins. With all the buffs they should give me 16.8 per plot (checked with hovering of the mouse). Total of 2217.6 for my entire Baha field (only 3/4 of Baha field unlocked = 132 plots)
Baha level EP bar before harvest: 745954
Baha level EP bar after harvest: 743736
Difference: 2218

Event timer EP before harvest: 37662
Event timer EP after harvest: 39774
Difference: 2112

Lost total: 106 = 0.8 per plot so this seems to be correct.

Harvest 2 plots (1x1) of cubed pumpkins from mainland to place trophies, so the event timer EP is now: 39806

Mainland:
Full field of 1x1 cubed pumpkins minus 2 plots for the trophies = 200 plots of 1x1.
Should give me: 16.8 per plot, so 3360 EP for the mainland.
Mainland Level EP bar before harvest: 5143787
Mainland level EP bar after harvest: 5147147
Difference: 3360

Event timer EP before harvest: 39806
Event timer EP after harvest: 43006
Difference: 3200

Lost total: 160 = 0.8 per plot, so this seems to be correct according to the tech's statement

Green meadow:
Full field of 1x1 cubed pumpkins minus 2 plots for the trophies = 200 plots of 1x1.
Should give me: 16.8 per plot, so 3360 EP for the meadow.
Mainland Level EP bar before harvest: 5147147
Mainland level EP bar after harvest: 5150507
Difference: 3360

Event timer EP before harvest: 43006
Event timer EP after harvest: 46206
Difference: 3200

Lost total: 160 = 0.8 per plot, so this seems to be correct according to the tech's statement

Okay, I think I'll have to post the results of the Glade in another post. This one is giving me troubles now. Maybe the post is too long now?

 

Try harvesting one plot by itself and see what happens.
If you have the CCs might as well use water on the 1x1s. It's worth it during events. Helps bring the drops in faster.

This has definitely been an excellent event for poo farmers. I went to sell my leftovers yesterday and saw 385 /unit. If I hadn't been out tending to RL yesterday... I would have thought about being a poo farmer. Then I would have remembered how much I hate the 1h harvests...

Just did morning harvest...
#1 farm -- has the most pets, bouncy cake CR, ZAB, CB, EM: 24,276
#2 farm -- 3 crows, bouncy cake CR, flower CR, ZAB, CB, EM: 11,133 event EP
#3 farm -- 3 crows, bouncy cake CR, ZAB, CB, EM: 22,121 event EP
Yep, someone harvested a couple of fields before starting the timer... *sigh* Should still be able to finish after 3 rounds of pumpkins... 10h to finish Level 1.

Moustacheries... 1/pen/harvest, 4h with water, 3 harvests per day + one overnight
26 /4= 7 rounds. Less than two days.

DROPS:
BOTTOM LINE... if what you're doing is working... keep doing it.
On the other hand... The simple math tells me...
IF I were to use pens I would only use upper level pens, which most players with drop problems don't have, and harvest them twice a day. Preferably watered and "buffed". Pens take up 4 squares aka 1x1s. I might get two EVENT DROPS max from them per day.
versus
4 trees, apples or XXL preferable, harvested twice a day. Potentially... as many as 8 EVENT DROPS per day. Your mileage will vary depending on your trophies, etc. Maybe you'll get lucky and get 3+.
versus
4 1x1 crops, ANY crop, preferably watered and "refined", perhaps manured. Potentially... as many as 8 EVENT DROPS per day. Again results will vary depending on farm configuration.
I never use pens to get drops. I only use them for critters I need or products I want to sell.
Like I said before low-mid level farmers try trees for drops. Mid players up try your highest level crops.
Seriously... do NOT expect 8 event drops per day from 4 sqs! But the more plots the better the odds.
The faster you turn over your pens, trees, crops the more drops you'll get. Don't leave the farm idle!!! Better off planting a regular crop v event crop if you know you won't be able to get back to farm when the crops are ready, unless you are going to be desperate for crops. I'm usually struggling more for crops than drops.

 

ZAB = extra 60% EP
EM = extra 30% EP
CB = extra 20% EP
SSG on 2x2 = extra 50% EP
TOTAL = extra 160% EP

CW on 2x2 = 48 EP, CW on CF = 96 EP

Used all the buffs = 96 EP + extra 160% EP = 96 + 96*1.6 = 96 + 153.6 = 249.6 EP (not 246.9 EP)


Is that what you see?

 

I was meant to start timer yesterday but something came up so I put it off until today. Put CFs out on all fields (Baha 3/4 unlocked) with normal 1x1 around the edges and used SSG on all the CFs. Got no pets or CR at all on this farm. Used ZAB, CAC, CB, EM and PPP and then started timer and harvested. Only made one mistake, which was that I forgot to move statues around (I hardly ever remember) which of course doesn't matter as far as the EP count goes even if it affects my drops.

37k I'm fine with, and I've switched CF for all 1x1 everywhere now. Used manure and water and the SSG I had left (1/3 of main farm), but will stick to just water from now on. Gonna continue with CP, and either set alarm for the night or stay up, depends on rl matters. Hopefully I'll have no problem finishing step 1 ( I want that yellow mouse!), but I'm less bothered about the rest of the event, as long as I'll get the mystery stables.

Thanks Mir for the summary and calculations, it helped a lot! Planning for events is my least favourite thing about them (go figure, since I love strategy in other games) so 9 times out of 10 I don't bother and just get on with it.

 

Oh, 249.6. Yeah, I remember seeing that number per comfortfield plot this morning when I started the harvest. So, based on that number, going for mainland only, I should have gotten:
11587.2 EP. I remember a total of 11500 (and a little bit... 87.2 being the little bit ) appearing in my counter under the level bar. I got a total of 10500 in my event timer, though.
So, that would mean I lost 1087.2 EP.
44*0.6 = 26.4 (loss I should have gotten from the comfortfields)
Normal fields: 12 + 12*1.6 = 12 + 19.2 = 31.2
Loss I should have gotten from 24 normal fields: 24 * 0.2 = 4.8

Total loss I should have gotten: 26.4 + 4.8 = 31.2

I lost 1056 EP more, if my calculations are correct. Why did I loose this more extra?

The calucations in my ETA's in the other posts are all without comfortfields and without SSG, cause it's all Cubed Pumpkins. I have used water on all of them, but water doesn't give extra EP, right? So far, without the Glade, the fields all give correct losses.

ETA:
Okay, I've just harvested the Glade and here are the results:
Full field of 1x1 cubed pumpkins minus 2 plots for the trophies = 182 plots of 1x1.
Should give me: 16.8 per plot, so 3057.6 EP for the Glade (BTW, shouldn't the Glade give more EP, or is this only on trees, stables and workshops? I don't remember).
Mainland Level EP bar before harvest: 5150507
Mainland level EP bar after harvest: 5153565
Difference: 3058

Event timer EP before harvest: 46206
Event timer EP after harvest: 49118
Difference: 2912

Lost total: 146 = 0.8 per plot, so this seems to be correct according to the tech's statement

I'll plant Cubed Pumpkins again and tonight I'll plant Cubed Watermelons on Comfortfields again with SSG, SG and water. We'll see tomorrow what the result will be with those conditions. Perhaps it was some kind of weird glitch this morning?

 

Did you harvest by hand sherizya?

I think this is the same kind of bug (or display glitch as they like to call it) as happens during happy harvest day (and happy stable day). The plot show too much EP, when you harvest by hand the total amount you see is also wrong. But if you use the harvester, the total amount you see is correct.

Since it is not happy harvest day now, it has to do with the comfort fields and how buffs work with them. I tested with lettuce, so that it would't take so long:

• Lettuce on comfort fields with ZAB, SRJ and suzy's super grow
• Plot shows 4.8 EP, harvest by hand shows 4.8 EP, harvest with harvester shows 4.34 EP
• Tried without the suzy's super grow
• Everything gives 3.8 EP, so that seems ok

There is something fishy with the suzy's super grow on comfort fields. Don't have time to do anything more now.

 

Hey -Mir85-, I indeed harvested by hand, so there might be something there.....

Okay, I've done a few more calculations. I started my timer for step 1 this morning with the harvest of the Cubed Watermelons, so the counter was at 0 when I started.

Based on the calculations provided by SillyGuy (for which I thank you a lot!) I should have gotten the following totals for the event EP (losses are already excluded):
Mainland: 11556 EP (44*249 (comfortfields with SSG, SG etc) + 24*25 (normal fields without SSG and SG, but with the rest of the buffs))
Meadow: 11556 EP (44*249 + 24*25)
Glade: 10510 EP (40*249 + 22*25)
Baha: 7472 EP (28*249 + 20*25) (I have baha only open for 3/4, so I don't have 41 2x2 plots)
Total: 41094 EP

This is all under the assumption my calculations are correct.

However, I got, in the timer: 37662

Loss: 3432

So somewhere I lost about 3.5k in EP. Can this be contributed to the fishy thing with SSG on Comfort fields? If so, something really needs to be done about this!

If this were only related to SSG on Comfortfields, the loss due to this issue would be:
3432 / (44+44+40+2 = 3432 / 156 = 22 EP per comfortfield. That's quite a lot.

 

Thanks pnp and Mir for the kind words. I was able to finish last night at 930 so it took about 18 1/2 hrs, just feel like a real idiot for not understanding. Think I will quietly finish this event

 

Hi all, just wondered, what am I classed as at Level 78 (very nearly 79)...a mid or high level player?? I have no idea what the max (if there is one?) level is?
I also have used the cuckoos out my inventory to bump up the Animal Trophy..only have 4 more upgrades to get

 

fifi -- when the game started, there were 100 levels. Now there are 200 levels for main farm and 400 for Baha. There are some well known players here in the forum who have been playing since almost the beginning and are in the high 90s and recently leveled up to 100. I personally do not know anyone higher than that but they do exist.

I don't know if there is an 'official' placement for classifications but I would say you are mid level but getting on the upper end.

 

After my last post I saw the OA regarding the truncation of decimal points. Handling decimal points is one of the things one learns within the first few sessions of a programming language class. It's a rookie mistake. Once again proof that Farmerama does not have competent programmers. This is gotten really old. It does not effect me personally as far as finishing level one or this event. We are all effected by this but lower level players will be hit harder than upper level player. It might effect at which harvest I finish and how I schedule the rest of the day. BUT it does effect the lower level players and is very unfair to them.

 

Julie, please don't feel bad, there is no reason to hide

Unfortunately that sounds about right

The difference I got with lettuce was 4.8-4.34 = 0.46 EP and that was for a 1EP crop.

Cube watermelons are 48 EP crops, so 48*0.46 = 22.08 EP

I absolutely agree something should be done with this. I still don't know why the difference appears. The happy harvest/stable day issue I understand.

 

Not counting decimals is unfair to everyone, regardless of level, but I agree with Suzee that it affects and hurts more the lower level ones.

In fact, it favours whomever uses larger plots -be them plain or comfort ones- just because, by adding up the decimals effect of sub-plots if those were divided, the reduction in EP count gets minimized. In other words, it penalizes those who take the trouble to use 1x1s for the sake of higher seed output when using buffs like CAC or PJ.

But this is just the very last example of the incompetence of both BP's programmers and, above all, its project management team.

Before this case, I can mention now the inability to make mill scheduling properly work when having the mill-boosting CR active + mill subscription: for 3 days in a row, the 2nd scheduled task hasn't worked, making me lose hours and hours of milling.

(By the way, excellent previous post by Suzee explaining drops mechanics and what to expect with what is put in the lands: I suggest to keep that explanation in Suzee's event strategies thread: it should be final, and a means to avoid discussing over and over again, endlessly, the same topic, even with "experienced" players, so annoying and wearisome).

 

I know PnP already answered your question brilliantly Fifi, but I just wanted to add that if you want to see some examples, the news have 'Top 10 farmer' right under the gift log. The top 3 are lvl 200 while no 10 is 164 and the rest somewhere inbetween. So only a handful of players are max level.

I've always considered lvl 50-69 mid level, 70-79 medium high, 80-89 high and 90+ very high. Above 100 seem so astronomical to me I barely even think about it.

 

Thanks PnP and SP. Wow, level 200 eh...so where do those guys go after that then..into the abyss? or does the last level just go on and on for eternity?

 

Thanks Mir, I did not notice that....

blind in one eye
and cannot see out the other....

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Is this the busiest page Ever!

 

So i just found something interesting. I planted the cube pumpkins on all fields. So that is 588 on the mainland 3 and then 128 on bahamarama.

I got 18 mugs from magical glade
8 mugs from green meadow
3 mugs from the regular farm
1 mug from baha fields.

I am surprised by the large change in number of mugs dropped.

With that said thanks to this thread i will be able to easily finish the 65k ep needed for task 1. I started this morning and should be done in about 13 hours from that starting point. So really not so bad then. The mug drops that will be a different story.

 

Oh No!!! I think I've gone and done that unthinkable blunder... lol I sometimes get excited and read fast.... skipping words and this time I skipped the biggest ones.... 65k EP from Event Crops..... Event crops being my blunder. I have planted long term crops overnight tonight so I can do step #1 in the morning when I get up, first putting on all my buffs. I wanted something that give the most EP so, yes you guessed it, I didnt plant long term event crop in one field... in hopes of getting an edge on the Mug drops. Wow, and now it's in my biggest field and I won't get anything towards the 65k goal but my drop will be good ;( oh my .... Im wondering if it would be more efficient for me to delete those planted plots and plant the long term 8 hr event crop? Anyone on that might have thoughts about what I could do or should do? I know I'm late starting step 1 but i've worked all week and I was working on drops and the event crops when I could. Help!!

 

Sorry to hear that I would delete and plant event crops... but it depends on how much you want the prizes

 

Oh thank you, I was going to do that, but didn't know if I might have misunderstood. Thank God I caught it in time. Thank you for replying so quickly.... You are awesome..!