Viking Saga - Strategy

Viking Saga - Strategy Thread
Difficulty: Hard
FAQ Viking Saga
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Start: Wednesday, 11th of May at 14:00 CEST
End: Tuesday, 17th of May at 14:00 CEST

How the axe throwing works, check out the videos below:
see here and here.
(Thanks to -Mir85- for giving us the links)
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I. Basics:

Event Crop will be Golden Root. Time taken to grow 8 hours.
Plantable on main farm, green meadow, magical glade, bahamarama, rainforest

Event drop will be Drinking Horn.
Drops from main farm, green meadow, magical glade bahamarama, rainforest from everything you harvest - trees, crops, stables, workshops

Viking Broth will be the special Mill product. Can be milled in both main land and tropical Mills. Ingredients: 15 x Drinking horns, 290 x Golden Root and time taken for one product is 20 seconds.

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II. Essential features of the game.

1. The Event is all about playing the Mini Game of Axe Throwing.
2. In order to throw the Axe, you need the Viking broth.
3. Viking broth is milled from Golden root (Event Crop) and the Drinking Horn (Event drop item).
4. One Viking broth allows you one mini game try. One mini game try consists of 5 attempts.
5. The best hit, that is if you hit the bull's eye, gives you 50 star coins. assembling the best axe gives you best hit. Your 5th axe throwing is that which decides what your star coins are. So you have to give your best in the fifth hit. Other 4 are just trials and will not be taken into account for calculating the star coins. But if you hit the bull's eye in any one of you attempt, you get the 50 star coins instantly and that mini game ends then and there. 50 coins are the highest star coins you can get in one mini game.
6. The best combination differs in each and every mini game.
7. You need only be an expert at axe assembling. You need not be an expert at axe throwing. Best axe gives best star coins. You can throw the best axe in any way you like. It won't make a difference.
8. Hilts have only 5 options. You have 5 tries. So choosing the best out of it will be easy and a sure thing.
9. Heads have 8 options. 5 tries. So you can also choose somewhat better options.
10. Its the runes that will confuse you as there are 10 options. There are 5 tries. You should be careful with this and apply your mind.
11. All together you can pick a better or good option, if not the best for the axe combination. You will not fail. That's for sure.

III. Step wise procedure of playing the mini game

1. Assemble the axe.
Before throwing the Axe you have to assemble the 3 parts of the axe to get the best combination. The 3 parts are head, hilt and rune. Choose out of 8 heads, 5 hilts and 10 runes.

2. The better your axe is the better is your chance to hit closer to the bulls eye and get more star coins. You have to combine better parts to get better axe. The best combination differs in each and every mini game. You can find out the best parts from the 5 green lights that glow beneath each throw out of the five. It will be displayed as below.



In your fifth attempt you can choose the best of each of the 3 parts which you would have found out from your previous throw. You just have to pick the parts with 5 green lights or with the highest number of green lights.

3. Then, hit play to throw the axe.
Its the FIFTH THROW that is the final. Previous throw are not taken into consideration for calculating the star coins. There is no average of 5 throws. So its the fifth that you have to concentrate. And from the previous 4 you have to use your common sense to find out the best combination for the axe.

If by chance you hit the bull's eye in any of your 5 tries, then your mini game is over then and there and you get the 50 star coins. You needn't go for other throws. For example, if in your 2nd throw you hit the bulls eye, you get 50 star coins and the mini game is over.

4. The star coins you can earn for each throw are 50, 40, 32, 25 and 15. You will get one of these at the end of every mini game depending on the axe you build.



IV. Now for calculations :-

1. Cloud row and its items require 1650 star coins. EP Giving items can be purchased several times.
2. Miscellaneous prizes require 2100 star coins. All rewards can only be purchased once in this category.
For the purchase of all the prizes need 3750 Star crowns.
(1650 + 2100= 3750)

The crop and drop requirements will be different for each and every player. It also depends upon the axe combination. Also upon the prizes you want to win. I do not know how far its possible for us to control the best combination of the axe. And I also do not know if its possible for a person to get all the prizes. I have found out that its possible to get all the prizes. It needs little effort. That's all. Good luck (edited on 13.05.2016)

I recommend that, first everyone of you decide what are the prizes you are going for and then decide upon the amount of crops and drops you need.

I will put out a rough calculation for every category of hits for the total prizes.
For the purchase of all the prizes need 3750 Star crowns (1650 + 2100= 3750).
Viking Broth
Ingredients: 15 x Drinking horns, 290 x Golden Root
Time: 20 seconds

1. Best combination axe gives 50 star coins.
Then you will need to play 75 mini games and need to make 75 Viking Broth.
75 Viking broth requires 1125 drinking horns + 21750 Golden Roots

2. Axe combination giving 40 star coins
Then you will need to play 94 mini games approximately and need to make 94 Viking Broth.
94 Viking broth requires 1410 drinking horns + 27260 Golden Roots

3. Axe combination giving 32 star coins
Then you will need to play 118 mini games approximately and need to make 118 Viking Broth.
118 Viking broth requires 1770 drinking horns + 34220 Golden Roots

I best not go further in calculations as its obtuse and very imaginary.
The numbers are so crazy I hope we will be able to make the best axe easily


Result :

1. Decide on the prizes you need.
2. Check out if you already have some of the prizes like chocolate syrup recipe. If so you need not go for it
3. Decide whether you need certain prizes like Pinkie Pie, stars, wonder trees or stables etc or would you like to skip them.

 

Thanks, as always!
When I first looked at the FAQs, I was utterly confused, but after reading your explanation, it makes more sense.

 

Note - one of the misc prizes is the Chocolate Syrup recipe

 

What I understood from the faq was that each mini game (of 5 trys) has a different arrangement of bits of the axe that will get the maximum 50 points. So for each game you have to guess different combination of head, hilt and rune.
AS there are only 5 hilts you can try each one to get the best, but with 8 heads and 10 runes there's a lot of guesswork needed - and luck!

 

If you are curious to see how the axe throwing works, a couple of FAQ have videos in them: see here and here.

As djh already said, we can always find the best hilt What I see from the videos is that we don't need to find the best head and the best rune to hit bulls-eye, the next best will also do. The chance of finding the best or next best head on 4 tries is around 80% (assuming they all have the same probability). While the chance of finding the best or next best rune on 4 tries is a bit less than 70%. So it is not that unlikely to get a good axe together.

I need to wait for the event to start to be sure how the coins are awarded, but I would estimate that we can get 45 coins on average, if we choose the components wisely. I'll make a post about that later.

 

We need to Master and Grasp The Concept to Make an Axe using combination of 8 Different Axe Heads, 5 Different Hilts and 10 Different Magic Runes.

The Rules is we have 5 Attempts at Axe Throwing Mini Game. Statistically we have 5 Attempts to get the Right Hilt as there are only 5 Hilts to Choose From. All we need to do on Hilt Part is to work out which hilt give 5 Green Dots. Which can be sussed out either 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th Attempt. If sussed it out on earlier attempt STICK with IT at 5th Attempt only if not got hit the 50 Star Coin Bulls Eye.

As for The Magic Runes Part we have 10 Magic Runes to Choose From. I only Suggest Stick to FIrst Runes in your 5 Attempts use the same Tactic as the Hilt. To work out which Magic Rune has 5 Green Dots (Only IF). If you do come to find a Magic Rune with 5 Green Drops in that Mini Game. I Suggest not to use that Magic Rune in your Next Mini Game. As The Values of All Parts of the Axe Changes with Every Mini Game !!

As for The Axe we have 8 Heads to Choose From. Work on Same Tactic of 5 Attempt Steps of Hilt to Find 5 Green Dots Axe Head. If you can. When you do find a 5 Green Dots Axe for that Mini Game. Do No include it in next Mini Game. As it most likely to be a different Axe Head that have 5 Green Dots

Sadly we are going to need lots of Writing Pads, Post Its or Paper to Take Notes Values of Axe Head or Magic Rune do not include these in next Mini Game if they have 5 Green Drops. But getting 5 Green Dots Hilt can be done at least on 5th Attempt.

 

Edit: Not sure how useful this is after all, see edit at the bottom and this post.

We have 4 tries to find the best components before we make the throw that counts. To make the most of them we should choose four different heads, four different hilts and four different runes (unless you find the best one, then you can stick to that). For the 5th throw you can choose the best head, hilt, and rune you found, but that's not always the best option. I'll explain the different cases, but there is a summary at the end

Hilts
This is the easiest one, as has been mentioned before. If you don't find the best hilt on the four tries, you know it will be the fifth, so we can always find the best hilt for our axe.

Heads
Lets number the heads from 1 to 8, where 1 the worst and number 8 the best.

• If the best out of your four tries is 4, then any one of the ones you haven't tried will be better.
• If the best out of your four tries is 5, then you have a good chance of getting a better head if you try a new one for the final round. The reason is that there are 3 heads which are better than the ones you tried, and only one which is worse. So you have a 3:1 (or 75%) chance of getting something better.
• If the best out of your four tries is 6, then the best option is to choose that for the final throw. Now there are two heads that are better and two that are worse. The ones that are better are one or two points better, the ones that are worse can be much worse, so it is not worth the risk.
  
• If the best out of your four tries is 7, then the best option by far is to choose that for the final throw. Now there are three heads that are worse and only one which is better.
  
• If you find 8, don't loose it

Runes
Lets number the runes from 1 to 10, where 1 the worst and number 10 the best.

• If the best out of your four tries is 4, then any one of the ones you haven't tried will be better.
• If the best out of your four tries is 5, the best option is to try a new one. There are five which are better and only one which is worse.
• If the best out of your four tries is 6, then it is also better to try a new one. There are four which are better and two which are worse.
• If the best out of your four tries is 7, 8, 9 or 10, then the best option is to choose that for the final throw.

Summary:

Best hilt	Choose	Best head	Choose	Best rune	Choose
4	New hilt	4	New head	4	New rune
5	That hilt	5	New head	5	New rune
-	-	6	That head	6	New rune
-	-	7	That head	7	That rune
-	-	8	That head	8	That rune
-	-	-	-	9	That rune
-	-	-	-	10	That rune

If you follow this, the chance of getting

• the best hilt is 100%
• the best head is 52%, the next best head is 29%
• the best rune is 41%, the next best rune is 28%

assuming all the hilts/heads/runes have the same probability, which seems like a reasonable assumption to me.

If you want to play a bit safer you may instead choose the best of your 4 tries, unless you get the four worst ones, then you are guaranteed a better result with any of the others. Then the chances of getting the best heads and runes are a bit lower, but not much lower.

Edit: Come to think of it, we can probably improve this strategy when we know how the coins are awarded. In some cases it might not be worth the risk of choosing a new head/rune because the chance of getting more coins is too low. We'll have to wait and see.

 

Thanks 12ss12, and Mir85 and anyone else who has given us good strategy to read and ponder
I think this will be a fun and interesting game..Good Luck to all!

 

wow that's all I can say is wow I hope its not as confusing once it starts as it sounds thank you 12ss12 and Mir I plan on giving it a try please wish me luck as I am wishing everybody who is going to give this a try lots of luck

 

I think once we've tried it a few times it will not be confusing

 

Thank you 12ss12, Mooboy and Mir for all the calculations and strategies.

I am not sure how much I am going to. But I see some worthy prices to choose from.
So, I grow first and will decide later.

Edit: the chocolate syrup is what we need for the chocolate pancakes. If any one (like me) has won it in one of the previous events. So, I definitely go for that.

 

yea that's what I'm hoping for like a cpl of the other events that seemed confusing until we started it then it made more sense once it began

 

You have all our wishes Maryl. Its not so hard as it sounds.
You need to choose 3 best parts within 5 choices. That's it. You can easily choose the best of hilts as there are only 5 choices. Remaining 2 parts. Out of it you have to choose best head out of 8. You can choose a better option out of it. Its the runes that will confuse you. But you can pick the good ones out of it just by thinking little. After playing 2 or 3 mini game, you will be a expert.

 

I added something to my post

 

first, thanks 12ss12 to make me get a clear idea about this event & how it work
Then mir85 give a much better idea for select the axe( that take a bit more time
to go through it since it's much late when I read his post)
lastly...
I don't like BP give us another "hard" event which again ask for high qty of junk crop& drops.
esp it's a 8 hr crop need over 20000 qty.
yes, you don't need to grow so much amount of junk if you don't seek for all prize
But , there is a great factor call : axe building
I hope that most of farmer(include me) could get help from Mir85 strategy.
I still get a bit confused. It may only get clear when play the mini game, start the selection

If anything go wrong, farmers will face got below average coin.
Which like the last "random" temple door key, Farmers need to keep on grow grow grow
more drops, more drops, keep milling.

But that's a worst prediction, I hope that , Bp will give us a fun, everyone could enjoy event,​

 

Thank you 12 and Mir for the strategy. I will do my best.

 

I reading all of the above, how much of the crop and drop does a person need? I didn't see any numbers.
or is this a grow until you drop event? (pardon the pun)
I just realized the amount of Golden root that I have to grow....
At the rate I'm going I'm lucky if I get a sticker but I'll try to get some items instead of killing my supergrow supply and trying to get a cloud row. In a perfect world I would get 30 drinking horns from a field instead of 14...oh well.

 

Thank you for the calculations and strategy suggestions! I was optimistic about this while still only rumoured and when the FAQ came out I got pretty excited. This seems fun, I like a bit of random thrown in.

 

First of all thank you to 12 and Mir for the great info and to anyone else who has added more bits for me to ponder.
I'll try to do the whole thing as there are some good prizes. Good luck to everyone.

 

Maybe it's already clear for you, Mir, but, just in case, as 12ss12 mentioned in the opening post, and according to the Italian FAQ, the awarded coins per set of 5 tries will be those corresponding to the last one among them -it'll be the 5th one in all cases-:
http://it.bigpoint.com/farmerama/board/index.php?threads/saga-dei-vichinghi.26437/#post-244567 -- "Se si riesce a prendere il centro del bersaglio il turno di gioco termina e si ottiene la massima ricompensa (50 monete stellate), altrimenti se con 5 tiri non si riesce a fare centro verrà tenuto in considerazione l'ultimo tiro effettuato, cioè il 5° e la ricompensa verrà assegnata in base a quest'ultimo tiro". (--> If you can make a bull's-eye hit at any of the tries, the mini-game ends and the maximum reward is gotten -50 starcoins-; if not, if along the 5 tries per set you have been unable to make a bull's-eye hit, then the last try/throw is taken into account, that is the 5th one, and the reward will be credited based on this last throw).

In other words, this event is labeled as "difficult" because it has 3 levels of chance involved:
1* the chance of getting enough event's drops to be able to compensate any bad luck on the last 2 chances;
2* the chance of being able to build the best possible ax (a somewhat blindfolded process, containable -an idea on how containable it actually is can be gotten from your chart, Mir-);
3* the chance of hitting bull's-eye with one broth, which should be increased by the previous chance -supposedly, the better the ax, the better the chance-.

But nothing guarantees you'll get 50 starcoins from most of your broths. What I think is, then, if it is true that the best ax highly increases the chance of hitting bull's-eye in any of the 5 tries that 1 broth would enable, that ax building is the most important step, by far, and we'll need to see how much it actually increases the chance of getting a better last throw, which is completely in the dark. If avg starcoins gotten per broth is 35 -rather high but pretty probable-, we'll need 48 broths for getting both the CR and its items, and, therefore, 13920 event's crops and 720 event's drops. That's definitely doable and probably easy so. The only real remaining question will then be to know how much we'll be able to get. It'll depend on how many event's drops and crops a player is able to get before event end.