Show more leniancy in event strategy threads ONLY

Thanks Teddy, glad you are finally here to read/see all that has happened...

But reeling us in so tightly after all of you having been so lenient about us having a little fun in all of the short lived strategy threads in the past doesn't do much for damage control now. Once the events are over the threads are moot anyway, so what's REALLY the issue with us having a little fun and enjoying ourselves for a few days? As it has been stated before... the strategy threads are put on by members, for the members, not by not mods/admin... so the members should be able to set the tone as to the restrictions of staying on topic or straying a little while having fun. I am sure MORE users have complained about the iron fisted over modification as of late than anyone has ever complained about the amount of slightly off topic fun we have in those strategy threads. Sad to say that if we can't have a little fun in the strategy threads, not many will be posting in them... unless that is what you guys all want?

 

Hi, teddy!! Missed you! Thanks for the response

 

Thanks for your response Teddy. I appreciate it muchly. I got the message. Event only, period.

 

Thanks for your reply Teddy.

 

Thank you Teddy. Happy farming.

 

For my part I want to be in a forum where I enjoy posting, that is my intended outcome, nothing more nothing less. With regards to my own actions, I don't mind mostly staying on topic as long as:
a) a little off topic is allowed, it is just inevitable
b) rules are clear
c) any necessary moderation is done gently, so players don't feel whacked over the head or that action has been taken out of spite

Coming to a resolution requires communication. Unfortunately at the moment one party is very quiet. A vague:

is not enough. BTW teddy, will you be here to follow up? If not I'd rather hear from the mods that are going to be here regularly.

 

Intrepiduer said: Unfortunately at the moment one party is intent on their own outcome without regard to their own actions.

Yes, I agree totally- Neon Lights really needs to lighten up

 

My entire post was just deleted, because of an "unapproved link".
First of all, it wasn't a link. There was no www, and there was no dotcom. It was not clickable either.
Still, if you guys deem me thát unwanted......gee.

I'l leave. today. right now.

here is my post once more, without the offending "link". You could've just asked me to remove the unwanted words ya know? this is exactly the punishment no one deserves, and the "removal of a post is just easy for you".
Oh, am I allowed to say a googalable word? Like -edit-? I mean, that is something anyone can google, but it's not a link, right?

anyway, since this is the last time I will post here,
here it is:




Edit: my highest level of maturity? really? Let me explain what really is the highest level of maturity: leaving.

 

Please. If anyone's feelings were hurt, I am sorry. But how we feel about anything is our choice. Posting that choice shows our level of maturity.
Please choose your highest level of maturity for all to see.
This is a game. I come for the advice of wiser people who know the best way to navigate the events. But mostly I come here to enjoy stories, it beats watching the beets grow.

 

Please note: in accordance with the rules

 

Glad to see you back Teddy
Am sorry to see you are leaving Free bird
Makes you now wonder how many more will do the same

This used to be a nice FUN game to play ...now am not so sure it is ...with all that is happening and people being made to feel uncomfortable for doing something extremely trivial

Oh by the way i am using an Acer mouse and haven't got a car ...because i cannot drive..
And this has nothing to do with the nature of this thread ...is it allowed ???

Neon has Just stated that we can do this ?

Very confusing considering this thread is...
Show more leniancy in event strategy threads
When we Supposedly cannot go off topic ?
Have said all i have wanted to say ...Am now off to the greener pastures to have fun

 

Many have. I don't see them posting any longer. See the threads especially strategy thread.

 

It's time to let this go, let it play out and see what happen's. they got the message the oldman49

 

Yep - they 'got the message'......so why does it seem like it's in the trash can? Does anyone really like seeing all these long time players leaving in protest??

 

I want to clarify a couple of points.

First, I DO understand that limits are necessary. Things like outside advertising, personal information get into legal issues. These need to be broad because different countries have different rules, and even though a site might not need to adhere with every single country. Just to give examples (intentionally silly examples to avoid being accused of making a political commentary) I doubt there is any country that would permit you to post detailed instructions to assassinate their leader, and if you try, almost any website will not only remove the post, but probably refer you to the appropriate law enforcement. However, if a country were to outlaw all use of blue, the game team might decide that excluding the color blue takes too much effort and so are OK with the game not being played in that country. Yes, rules are needed.

Even the bit about "not off topic" -- stray too far and it makes finding correct information difficult, makes threads and forums too big, etc.

The issue here is how fine to cut this, AND, that despite protests to the contrary, there is no consistency. After being on this site for a couple of years, I strongly believe that part of the issue may be translation. Subtleties are very, very hard to translate. I don't know if its the moderator involved or direction "from above", but the people making the decision seem unable to really and fully grasp fine distinctions and subtleties. If the issue is an individual moderator, then at least part of the answer to that is for more people to step forward and volunteer. I have already said I cannot. However, if the real probably is direction from above, then extra help won't matter. Just as an example, I have been accused of "double posting", had posts removed because I posted my own thread and then answered other people's threads. That is actually NOT double posting per the rules, but a particular moderator, when new did think it was. In this case, the question is what is and is not off topic for strategy.

Event strategy threads are by nature the most dynamic threads here. The give and take "by play" not only makes the threads fun, but do encourage and help us all learn. Farmer broke's post are particularly classic. He always has something fun to share, and always makes us think, in one way or another about the game. Most of us would argue that the deleted threads WERE strategy. When so many people disagree with the game opinion, then well.. it is time to rethink. Sure, BP does own the site, can set the rules.

..... and we can simply elect not to spend our money or not to participate ... at all.

Some users have kindly created an alternate site. ( I cannot post the link here -- one of the fairly reasonable restrictions, I have to say -- BP cannot be responsible for random links). However, my perspective is that if I have to go to those lengths, then the game is just not worth my time. Right now, many of us are at that point.

BP can do as it wishes... and you know what? So can we!

Only part of that was my quote, elimeno.. but I guess it does not really matter.

Some limits are necessary for a variety of reasons, including server space (it is not unlimited, costs money to expand), the desire to keep things "nice" (ergo avoiding anything close to an argument or political discussion, etc.), and just keeping threads accessible/readable. If there are 3 pages of commentary, then folks wanting real information can get frustrated.

That said, while some limits are needed, the question is whether the current interpretations of the rules are too strict or uniformly applied. This is not a clear cut issue, and thus the problem. When moderators (either at BP behest or on their own) insist it is clear cut, that no change was made, that the decision was reasonable and we are just wrong to disagree (that is, no room for "OK, this is opinion")... it frustrates us even more.

 

Sorry woody...my post somehow ended up in the the grey box with yours...

 

This only make sense in that it keeps things strictly the way you want it to work, and completely ignores what the community is requesting. Updates on how strategies function are critical to those who commonly develop the strategies, and they come in many different forms, from many different types of users.

There are only a handful of us that do the math, develop strategies, and confirm what works and what doesn't, and we don't mind that people add a human element and interject things into their post while also keeping us up to date on how our strategies are working for them. Without these updates, my brainstorming or best farm practices cannot be updated. Thus, the strategy in the thread becomes the outdated farm practices, not the best farm practices. In addition to this, as far as the community is concerned, it's pretty common knowledge that the only post you need to look at is the first post, and if you don't find what you're looking for you will typically find it in the first few. After that, if you still haven't found the answer to your question, then you would typically post a question. These questions are not brainstorming or best farm practices, so they should not be allowed?

Additionally, there is a language aspect to consider. Do you, as employees and volunteers of BP, go to separate rooms in the office to discuss slightly different material on the same topic? Probably not, that's because conversation is fluid. It moves from one aspect to another, even when talking about the same overall subject.

The strategy threads should be considered a place for strategy AND discussion while that event is going. This will allow users to comfortably communicate. If there is an actual problem, allow the community to regulate by using the report button. Once a post has been reported, moderators should step in and review the issue. Moderators should DISCUSS with the users any post which has been reported, only after discussion should moderators then take appropriate measures.

Last but certainly not least, everyone at BP, including moderators needs to stop treating the community as "players" or "farmer" but as CUSTOMERS, because that is what we are.

 

Or you forget the strategy thread altogether and in the game related chit chat section open the topic "xxx(event name) strategy and event discussion".

Then you as long as the post has some relationship to the event it wont be off topic.

 

This might actually be the best option.. just leave the bare basics -- the info post that seems to have become the standard first post and clarifications on that, plus a link to the chitchat thread where all other discussion will happen.

I will say that this does not necessarily make sense from BPs perspective -- that is, it will use more server space. And, for us, that thread will probably get TOO wild, but it looks like it might be the option.