Chestnut Festival Strategy

I was afraid that would happen. One would think their programmers would test these things before release...

 

...and find someone who can write copy for an announcement that isn't offensive and alienating. I'm forwarding BP my copy of 'How to Win Friends and Influence People', straight away.

but actually, this does present a strategy challenge for me, because the intended/unintended effects of the cloud row were one of the only compelling reasons to go beyond step one. I will just keep whistling whilst growing loads of event crops while they sort out what they really think they really mean.

 

I am not able to go for the Top 1000 this year(nor any other year previous). So, I have a question for the ones that are or have insights of what is the best way to prepare(for next year) to pursue the Top 1000.

What are the best things or type of things that I should build up to donate to compete in the Top 1000? Since I have a whole year to get ready(hoard)....I would like to know what it takes????

I would greatly appreciate any advice. Thanks!

 

I also have completed the event and got my cloud

@Brookeham, Probably to buy Maple Sap when they're only 20 CC each.
You know you will need a field full of trees and probably your island as well?
You can never sell them too.

 

Brooke,

I bet farmer_broke is the best to answer this, because he is the champion of Exchange Value as the yet to be acknowledged Holy Grail of the game. In some of those long and boring discussions in his thread you'll find the first answer, especially from his interventions there.

Anyway, as a quick rule, whatever that, along the year, has a CCs/ExV ratio way below 1 would do.

Concretely, most of fruit will be OK. But, even among the different types of fruit, some are better than others. Along the year is pretty easy to get maple sap, for example, at 20/25 CCs each, even lower --> let's say 25,5, at 170 ExV --> 25,5 CCs/170 ExV = 0,15. That's an example and a good guide......

Good luck with that (you'll need lots of CCs --> to be a serious contender, you'll need, for instance, 1M maple saps in stock....).

EDIT: solotime has just said something similar, but don't limit yourself to maple sap: there are other examples; besides, if you excessively buy maple sap in your mkt you'll make its price go up; so, it's an intensive and constant task you have to add to your daily game activities; you'll need to build a spreadsheet: it'll bore you to death but that's the only way: to know all of those ratios to be able to grab the best deals when they show up.

 

Thanks solo - ...so I need to stop filling or be selective customer Naomi Camel who only asks for trees on FHO's?

Thanks too Aluntino - Aren't baha trees the best to donate? Their value is double?

So concentrate on tree fruit? What about crops, breeding animals or reg animals??? Hopefully in a year....I will have finished more breeding quests....and then I could save/buy high level breeders to donate????

 

There's no SIMPLE answer, Brooke.

The way to analyze this and take decisions is through building a spreadsheet with all marketable products and calculate their CCs/ExV ratios.

I've almost never seen any bred animals at CCs/ExV < 1 except for the briefest of periods for only some of the ones that come from the jumbo pens and/or the cloud rows. But it's pretty difficult this will happen again any time soon because of the rippling effects of the Soup quest and present Chestnut thing.

Regular animals? Do you think they can really be, any of them, at a ratio as low as 0,15? To give you an idea, that's sheep at 21 CCs each, 8/10% of current prices in my mkt.

Baha fruit has higher ExV values but are typically also more expensive. It's very rare their CCs/ExV ratios get as low as 0,15.

Crops? I doubt so as a general rule with some exceptions. A good bet are roses: I never ever grow them: I buy them when they're at 20CCs or so --> ratio around 0,18. I sometimes exceptionally also get carnations at 35 CCs each -something that I also never ever plant- --> 35/142 = 0,2.

You must build your spreadsheet and populate it with your mkt prices because they vary a lot, as you know, and sometimes what's usually not an opportunity suddenly becomes one. You won't know when to grab it without the spreadsheet or you'll overspend (which is OK if you have zillions of CCs at free disposal).

 

Thanks again Aluntino - Well, I guess I've got my work cut out for me. I will start to work on a spreadsheet....and continue to follow the market for "opportunities". I do not have zillions of cc's....in fact have spent nearly 1/2 of them within the past month. My great plan to sell my finished breeding animals all went out the window with the soup quest.

 

Paid my breeding animal admission fee to play on the Top 1000 playground (used those cheap cheap cheap first level breeding animals - Didn't even matter what they were they were so cheap - brown pigs, albino bats, etc) Will sell the rest.

Going to play a game of Tick-Tag for a while. Will try and stay around 990 or so.

When I go in it's ---- Tick Tag

Tick tag I kick someone out

Then I wait until someone Tick Tags me

and

I get Tick Tagged out

Then Tick Tag ......................... I kick someone out when I come back

Then I get Tick Tagged and get put out.

So let's play a while. No worry. Got a farmwife and ah Forum Family ..... Need to have a little style

-----Edit---------

I didn't get in. Didn't tick tag hard enough.

sooooooooo .... they don't think they want to play ..........

I DO! and I WILL! and THEY WILL!

Will go to 960 or there about.

 

brooke, you should probably also figure out what is best to grow/produce for sale. You are going to need a lot of CC for all that buying

If you spend half a million CC every week on fruit with a ratio 0.15CC/EV, then after a year you will have 173M worth of fruit in exchange value. Half a million every week

It will be exciting to see what it takes to be among the top 1000 this year


Spotted you on the list broke, number 926

 

How do you, Mir and farmer_broke, see the bottom of the list? I cannot scroll the list down. It's always locked, showing the 1st. 5 people.

farmer_broke, beware that your TickTag probably won't work towards the end: you risk to get thrown out of the list in no time, empty-handed, after having donated so much. People tend to rush in and dump shiploads of things in the last few hours/minutes. So, you'll be probably safer if you aim at position 700/800 for your tick-tagging thing.

Mir,

Any player different than farmer_broke (a guy who doesn't farm and only plays the mkts) who plans to seriously prepare for next year's TopX00X without spending lots of BBs/RL money -the big shortcut; insane, for me-, has lots of things s/he can do and must ponder about regarding how to play the whole year:

* if it's not a heavy mkt player, s/he may either add mkt to her/his activities or intensify them, and be prepared to grab real opportunities via her/his own spreadsheet populated with specific data of her/his own mkt; without adding the mkt dimension it's almost impossible to be seriously prepared;
* s/he may decide to permanently dedicate part of her/his space to extremely high ExV/plot-hr-yielding things, like, for instance, sea grape, pandanus, mate and persimmon trees in Island and, of course, maples and such in Farm,
* s/he may increase production of high ExV/plot-hr-yielding crops: roses are a good example -but, because of that, the cheapest in CCs/ExV terms, and, along with carnations, over-used by most players overnight and to get the most drops at event starts (that's why these 2 are so relatively cheap and I never ever plant them: I buy them);
* if s/he really seriously means it, mkt is the only way and must re-think what to produce both for her/his own consumption (producing just what makes sense not to buy and/or for sale) so that to get the most CCs to be able to buy the most bargains all along the year (which is what you are very rightly saying, Mir);
* s/he may be picky on what events s/he decides to participate in: many of them are just distractions and compel you to inefficiently use the limited available room for too long a time for little worth in prize terms.

I don't rule out the possibility of also preparing myself for next year: I've amassed a large stock of bred animals, worth something between 300/400M CCs in mkt prices; it may eventually let me have a CCs-stock steadily over 20M CCs -it's not now-; if I can steadily sit over 20M CCs for a long while, I'll start to amass stock aimed at this event's next year's edition. But, if I decide so, I'll do it only through mkt playing. Just for the sake of it.

 

Mir .... The absolute worst thing to do is buy now.

Disagree with your calculation. We can fix this. Say we decided to buy using a .15 or 15% of exchange rate
(Ignore how we get to the 15%, I'll use it here)
Lets not buy any and all tree fruit but only cherries for example.
Cherry exchange is 125
Our buy rate is the 15%
125 x 15% is 18.75
I round up to think no more
19 is my limit
I buy any quantity at any price 19 and under ............and not .01 more NO WAY, I'm broke
If I spend 500,000 a week as you say
How many Cherries will I buy
I don't think anymore so if I will pay 19 then I know I will pay 18 or 17 or 10 (we did the math for 19 ... enough of that)
So I buy them all anytime I have ccs
The least I could buy if I bought them all paying 19 is
500,000 / 19 is 26,315 cherries
26,315 X exchange of 125 is 3,289,375

And that is all.

This why I am always broke. And always selling and buying .......
The ccs are really gone if giving to an event such as this. gone.

I need to keep turning ccs and making a profit somehow somewhere so I can spend that 500,00 a week and forget about it.

Doing it this way I spend from 2.5 - 7 million a day

Feelings still come into play.

Every week I bought tree fruit. Saved millions.

And now I can play Tick Tag.

Aluntino, left click and scroll

 

Aluntino, the only way I can do it is with the scroll on my mouse. Hover over the names in the list and scroll with the mouse.

Broke, I never suggested buying now. We were discussing how Brooke could prepare for next year. And I did use Aluntinos ratio of buying at 0.15CC/EV, so I don't understand how you disagree with my calculation.

 

He doesn't disagree, Mir. He just said so because, I think, he knows people are not used to think in CCs/ExV ratio terms.

The point is what he has just explained above is the right way of doing it: just establishing for oneself a CCs-ceiling you're willing to pay for each item you may buy for amassing the stock to seriously participate in the TopX00X.

In fact, that 0,15 ratio for maple sap can get lower along the year. I many times spot maple sap in my mkt at 15/16 CCs each (I usually buy those offers out), that is, a ratio of 0,11.

But also other products with higher ratios would do. One example: the roses I mentioned above: I typically buy them at 20CCs or so each.

One must be rather flexible regarding at what ratio ceiling one will buy stuff. That's why I told Brooke that most things below a ratio of 1 would do. But it's better if it's lower: you'll make the most of your CCs.

EDIT: Thanks for the tip: I've just seen you in position 1000, with 10,2M of stuff, f_b.

 

Well, saying he disagrees with my calculations if he doesn't, is not making anything clearer thanks Aluntino

Have fun with your tick tag broke, I will look for you in the morning.

 

I just finished the event. Yea & boo. I miss all my breeding animals. I did manage to sell enough Monkeys and Elephants to get back the 1/2 a Million that I had to spend on breeding animals.

I have also planted 3 comfy fields full of Roses to take advantage of the extra EPs that are being given out when the new cloud row is activated along with using White Innocence, SG and all the time reduction buffs for Roses. I do not have a slot for Fruit Cake so it is taking 35 minutes to grow a field of Roses.

 

Aluntino, I have a field full of lettuce out, 2 fields with chickens, Baha with 41 Elephants, trees in the outlying areas, left over CAC time to use and left over Equipment time to use. Market... hahaha ... This farm has over 1700 production and animal pens, -0- RL investment in the game (When they respect the EN Forum I will spend and not until!), I produce what I want, and do it when I want and the quantity I want and thoroughly understand the ease of growing and producing .... I choose not to grow.

I can't grow Aluntino. If I do it and try and keep so many farms going then weeds would be everywhere. No time. Surely you see why now. All of the farms I have produce only animals and for that reason. Playing the market is as routine and buying seeds from the shop everyday. Buy list buy list buy list .....the bye bye, cya and on to the next while in RL tasks.

You have helped me to look at that market even harder than I do and harder and harder and harder. Our methods must stand on their own to be worth anything. And I test yours and anyone elses before I use it.

My strategy is to play Tick Tag now.

When I want to play Chess on the playground I will play it too. Believe it!

For now I want to play Tick Tag.



Mir,
I misinterpreted you suggested 173M a day from 500,000 cc a Day.
Yes, if you do that for a day, every day, for 365 days, then in a year one would probably have that.
The actual will depend on what is actually bought.

If one uses the method I use(d), one can see market fluctuations easily after time simply by look at the different in the holds of specific tree fruit.

And I think anyone attempting should prepare in advance. I know you see it is an expensive undertaking.

One problem I have with setting the buy rate at 15% is: What can one buy? I judge the 15% rate unrealistic and the next issue is how does one determine a satisfactory buy rate? Mine actually was and is 22.667%. After the event I must reevaluate my rate. I could never mill it all. It turns very hard and cold: simply turn it and take the profits or give it away as I am doing.

I think we understand where we are with the exchange business. The next part is to SET the rate.

PS I'll get tagged out I'm sure. And I'm sure I'll Tick Tag someone else out.

And when I get tired of Tick Tag then I want to Jump Rope. You'll see!

 

woo hoo sglick!!!! I too just finished....and growing other long time crops with sg....I ran low during event....and too expensive to buy now!!!
Thanks for all the advice.....hopefully Aluntino will also throw in his hat for next years Top 1000.......I do hope they will have it again.

I am rooting for you Farmer_broke.....and esca too!!!!

 

farmer_broke,

I've never told or even suggested you to grow anything: I've always understood what you do and why you do it that way. So, I don't see why you address such a long manifest about that you don't grow to me.

 

Aluntino,

You never have suggested I grow. Yes, I wrote what I meant to write but not in the manner I should have. I certainly do not desire anyone to think that playing a market is the only thing that can be gotten from this game.

As we both farm efficiently, I was writing efficiently and sending a message to another at the same time.

Again, I am sorry my manner had you feel the way you do. I truly meant nothing evil to you.

I need to see if I was Tick Tagged.