I'm broke, again! How do I make ccs?

Ι don't have hibiscus but I have other plants with lower hours and more BEP and I think is better to grow your farm plants and not the event crop if you don't do the event.


Farmer_broke...
Τhank you for your special offer you are so kind
Maybe another time

 

The chart below contains the market data as of this date in time for Market 40. At this time I have no desire to participate in the TOP 1000 competition which has been held in November. It is approximately 10 months away. If I judge the need to display En Forum strength in the upper 500 then I will enter. Regardless I will sell to those buying to compete at the latest of moments. In order to do so I choose to be prepared in advance. The chart below will be used to develop a strategy for success in competition as well as the making of ccs.

Anyone choosing to use a similar strategy should prepare a chart which contains their own market data.

The next post will display the determination of price points to be used in acquisition.

The greatest concern of all is: Which five or so tree fruit have the lowest Market/Exchange value rates? A somewhat lesser concern is: Which tree fruit will provide the greatest availability?

Any other concern with tree fruit thus far?

Column #	2	3	4	5
	1/13/2015		2 div 3	4 x 100
Tree fruit	Market	Exc Val	MKT/EV	%
Apple	25.00	60.00	0.4167	41.67
Blackthorn	5981.28	125.00	47.8502	4785.02
Loquat	2999.00	125.00	23.9920	2399.20
Medlar	666.66	125.00	5.3333	533.33
Pine Nuts	54.64	115.00	0.4751	47.51
Sakura	400.00	125.00	3.2000	320.00
Samara	363.33	125.00	2.9064	290.64
Stwb Fruit	514.38	125.00	4.1150	411.50
Apricot	96.68	95.00	1.0177	101.77
Beechnut	24.99	115.00	0.2173	21.73
Chestnut	29.00	135.00	0.2148	21.48
Ch Ornam	79.00	100.00	0.7900	79.00
Elderberry	81.00	120.00	0.6750	67.50
Gingko	32.00	90.00	0.3557	35.57
Gold Leaf	32.50	135.00	0.2407	24.07
Lemon	24.08	80.00	0.3080	30.80
Magnolia	48.00	80.00	0.6000	60.00
Mira Plum	32.99	75.00	0.4399	43.99
Peach	34.00	130.00	0.2615	26.15
Rowan	30.00	125.00	0.2400	24.00
Walnut	35.03	70.00	0.5004	50.04
Plum	29.00	90.00	0.3222	32.22
Mulberry	29.36	105.00	0.2796	27.96
Pear	30.04	120.00	0.2503	25.03
Cherry	33.00	125.00	0.2640	26.40
Acorn	34.00	127.50	0.2667	26.67
Orange	50.40	130.00	0.3877	38.77
Ang trump	28.99	132.50	0.2188	21.88
Yello Pear	25.00	135.00	0.1852	18.52
Date	66.55	140.00	0.4754	47.54
Pine Cone	29.99	145.00	0.2068	20.68
Olive	26.00	150.00	0.1733	17.33
Almond	29.50	160.00	0.1844	18.44
Maple Sap	33.99	170.00	0.1999	19.99
Bahamar	1/13/2015
Pomegran	77.00	105.00	0.7333	73.33
Pistachio	61.78	130.00	0.4752	47.52
Star Fruit	35.00	100.00	0.3500	35.00
Brazil Nut	30.00	125.00	0.2400	24.00
Tamarind	???	???
Banana	67.50	60.00	1.1250	112.50
Mandarin	34.00	105.00	0.3238	32.38
Mangoes	88.00	120.00	0.7333	73.33
Coconut	87.00	90.00	0.9667	96.67
Fig	60.00	130.00	0.4615	46.15
Kiwi	65.00	140.00	0.4643	46.43
Dragon Ft	39.52	150.00	0.2635	26.35
Guavas	54.00	180.00	0.3000	30.00
Cocoa Bn	49.93	200.00	0.2247	22.47
Avocado	49.00	220.00	0.2227	22.27
Papayas	42.54	240.00	0.1773	17.73
Kumquat	57.26	260.00	0.2202	22.02
Lychees	102.00	280.00	0.3643	36.43
Jocote	70.00	300.00	0.2333	23.33
Parsim	???	320.00
Mate	???	340.00
Carob Pod	277.00	105.00	2.6381	263.81
Buddha's	999.50	105.00	9.5243	952.43
Poinciana	75.00	105.00	0.7143	71.43
New
broke tree	9999.11	4.75	2105.07	210507

 

The lowest Market/Exchange value rates have

• Papaya 0.773
• Yellow pear 0.1852
• Maple sap 0.999
• Chestnut 0.2148
• Beechnut 0.2173

What do you mean which fruit will provide the greatest availability?

 

@Arielh
The less time one has to prepare for an event OR the more of an item that is needed, the more that availability (or supply or number of listings) becomes important. The last thing experience one cares for is the purchase of demanded items when time is of the essence.

The 12 tree fruit having the lowest price/exchange value on the Market 40 example above at 01/13/2015 are:

Number	Tree Fruit	ep	MKT/EV	Level Avail
1	Olive	90	0.1733	61
2	Papayas	75	0.1773	Island
3	Almond	100	0.1844	70
4	Yello Pear	60	0.1852	60
5	Maple Sap	110	0.1999	77
6	Pine Cone	85	0.2068	56
7	Beechnut	105	0.2173	mystery seedling
8	Chestnut	120	0.2148	3 with BB
9	Ang trump	55	0.2188	55
10	Kumquat	80	0.2202	Island
11	Avocado	70	0.2227	Island
12	Cocoa Bn	65	0.2247	Island

Eight are mainland tree fruit and four are island tree fruit. The ratio will fluctuate as the market changes. The only constant is the exchange rate used in determining the mkt/ev.

Maple Sap has the highest exchange value of the mainland common tree fruit and is commonly used for donation purposes. Maple Sap is also grown by higher level players who wish to earn high ep using a 1x1 plot. Maple Sap is also the most expensive common mainland tree at 3750ccs.

Note a column may be added to your original chart which may be labeled ep.

For ease in purchasing a maximum price point will be set next. Again, this price point will be set to acquire tree fruit for donation purposes. NOTHING but market price will prevent the sale of it.

GENERALLY, the lower the price point set, the less the availability. Keep in mind that events will cause fluctuations in market price as well as speculation.

SPREADSHEET PACKAGE USE IS VALUABLE as time will be saved in the long run. There will be an ease in making computations.

EP provided is for information purposes only and is not discussed in relation to exchange value.

More to come!

---edit---

Might want to gather a few rare animals. See post #56 in grapevine for the list. Long overdue!

 

Hi f_b...
I just stopped by ... How is it going ??


I do not think you do not go broke again anymore .. Can I call you with a farmer_rich?

 

Why on earth would anyone start planning for Harvest Hoedown in January?
You have no idea as to if they will even keep the same format!
Does anyone really give a monkey's as to what the price of fruit is in your market or what the EV of the animals is?

 

@Jools

We do not know it will keep the same format or not. But we always prepare for whatever happens.
To go to Harvest Hoedown, how many EV do you already have? How much money are you prepared for it?
Yes, good planning is the key to the answer for your question. But how?


Check -here- for the winners of that last time event.
As you can see, the #1000th place have donated for 144 million EV. Can you deal with it?
I mean can you collect that so much?


farmer_broke tried to help everyone here to explain these basic subjects. Hope you enjoy to learn and to practice these basic subjects!

 

I am not in to it. But if you are, you have to prepare. When they announce the format it is too late

 

RL took me away from the game for a few days.

Post #364 above contains the lowest 12 rates for Market 40 on 1/13/2015. Markets vary. Assume I am trying to establish a price to buy tree fruit for donation purposes. I must decide on a rate that will allow purchase of sufficient quantity. For nonspecific event type donation purpose only I do not need massive quantities and may establish a low rate. For events such as a Harvest Hoedown type event I will need a decent quantity to be competitive.

I chose the highest rate of the 12 listed which was .2247 . Again this will vary by individual and market but the procedure used will work for any market. The table below contains 22 farm tree fruit and 11 Baha tree fruit. At this time I seriously doubt others will become eligible. If quantity is no longer available then the rate must be raised for acquisition and the price recomputed for all. (With a spreadsheet package all may be included in the analysis.) I have quantities of several tree fruit that is not good for donation purposes. For example: apple, walnut, plum, orange, and date to name a few.

I took the exchange rate and multiplied all times .2247 and then rounded up to get my buy price for this year. Anything above that PRICE will sit on the market ..... for now.

Although olive was #1 at the time rates were computed, I will not buy olives now because the price does not meet my price.

The reason I included more tree fruit was because there are market changes which make others desirable for donation with no change in consequences.

The max price I will by is determined. I will write the tree fruit and that price on a paper a keep next to the computer. Each time I scan the market I will buy. After a while these will be remembered. No more computations and no more effort. BUT ... and I cannot emphasize this enough: THIS CONTINUOUS BUYING MUST BE FUNDED.

Best Mkt/exch 1/13/2015	Tree Fruit	ex val	buy limit rate for donation .2247	rounded up (price)	mkt price 1/25/2015	Buy Decision
	Apple	60.00	13.47	14.00	25.99
7	Beechnut	115.00	25.84	26.00	28.99
8	Chestnut	135.00	30.33	31.00	35.50
	Gingko	90.00	20.20	21.00	41.00
	Gold Leaf	135.00	30.31	31.00	26.50	buy
	Lemon	80.00	17.96	18.00	24.00
	Peach	130.00	29.19	30.00	35.00
	Rowan	125.00	28.06	29.00	29.00	buy
	Walnut	70.00	15.72	16.00	39.00
	Plum	90.00	20.22	21.00	27.00
	Mulberry	105.00	23.59	24.00	35.00
	Pear	120.00	26.96	27.00	24.92	buy
	Cherry	125.00	28.08	29.00	29.89
	Acorn	127.50	28.65	29.00	40.56
	Orange	130.00	29.21	30.00	50.00
9	Ang trump	132.50	29.75	30.00	37.00
4	Yello Pear	135.00	30.31	31.00	29.00	buy
	Date	140.00	31.46	32.00	53.00
6	Pine Cone	145.00	32.55	33.00	49.99
1	Olive	150.00	33.68	34.00	34.68
3	Almond	160.00	35.92	36.00	34.00	buy
5	Maple Sap	170.00	38.16	39.00	37.00	buy
	Star Fruit	100.00	22.47	23.00	37.12
	Brazil Nut	125.00	28.09	29.00	31.00
	Mandarin	105.00	23.59	24.00	39.98
	Dragon Ft	150.00	33.71	34.00	46.00
	Guavas	180.00	40.45	41.00	45.47
12	Cocoa Bn	200.00	44.90	45.00	90.00
11	Avocado	220.00	49.39	50.00	52.00
2	Papayas	240.00	53.88	54.00	49.70	buy
10	Kumquat	260.00	58.37	59.00	61.00
	Lychees	280.00	62.92	63.00	79.72
	Jocote	300.00	67.41	68.00	59.60	buy

No need to even think about acquiring the other tree fruit not listed for donation purposes. Some of the above are included only to show the slim likelihood of acquiring for donation purposes. (Trend analysis for investment purposes becomes simple with a spreadsheet package and a basic understanding of the above. Hopefully this method will be presented shortly.)

A year ago, some tree fruit was eligible and now has turned out to be a source of profit due to game and resultant market changes: orange and date are good examples. (edit- and elderberry) Some are very very close to profit items now: peach and lychee for example.

And if one desires profit with no intent of competing in a Hoedown type event then one may simply set their acquisition rate low, leisurely acquire, hold, and then sell to those who have not prepared.

Tree fruit is only one area of several. Donation of sufficient quantity has been the deciding factor is years past. The rate of .2247 is judged by me as being aggressive and this high a rate can lead to high holdings of tree fruit. As long as I can continue to fund this escapade: There is no doubt as to the minimum price of tree fruit on market 40. There are other things I want and I will pay no more than the price I determined .... Exceed it ... no sale ... the lower the better for me!

Again, this type of analysis is primarily for tree fruit donation yet one always has an investment.

Next I will illustrate an area that is perfectly clear where to invest but a game change can turn this into profit and lack of preparedness.

---edit---

While rereading previous posts I saw that Mooboy would like a chart for a 20% rate. I cannot dispute one using a rate of 20% or 10% or any other. One simply must prepare a chart for that rate. Markets and personal preferences will vary.

Generally:

• The less aggressive one wishes to be in acquisition then the lower the rate which can be set and objectives met.
• Buying needed quantities of any item at the last minute, in RL or in this game, will generally result in overpaying for the item.

Available funds will periodically reduce buying. Having been faced with this several times, I simply maintain my buy rate maximum an either do not purchase or do not purchase up to the maximum.

I was seeking a balance I could maintain purchasing and funding. I know full well the maximum I will buy at and certainly will purchase below that rate. Over time, one begins to get a feel as to the price one actually has in each tree fruit for profit determination purposes. As time passes and purchasing continues, one begins to see the specific tree fruit where there is greatest availability.

THIS METHOD DOES NOT SUGGEST: DO NOT INVEST IN OTHER TREE FRUIT!

--- edit 2 ---

At this moment there is no tree fruit to acquire on Market 40 which will meet my price limitation. I will hold and take profits in dates.

 

Broke, I believe this year's harvest festival is somewhat different from the previous. More challenger and not much supply of fruits in the playground now. Something else is indicated.

I doubt to look forward. Must carefully look at developments in the playground, I know you understand what I mean !

Someone else also oversees your step. Watch out buddy !

 

@SillyGuy

I know you see what is happening and I know someone oversees my step. I'll put it out there and hopefully entertain you. Enjoy!

The broke farm needs much higher standards now to even consider bothering with the Hoedown competition if it indeed materializes. Even so there will be no hopscotch with the lower class of the bunch. At the moment, the most I am considering sending is a baby farm that will not even have access to Maple Sap.

Yes, the competition can indeed change and hopefully I'll stay awake to watch the returns. Tree fruit is only a single area and I still regard it as the final determining item. Efficient tree fruit acquisition is a single method which, when understood, aids one easily in preparing in other areas such as .... and I wish I could see your smile:

• crops -- grains
• crops -- vegetables
• Baha crops
• animals -- general farm (there is a single solid best and a competitive second)
• animals -- Baha
• breeding animals (and there is only a single to buy and prepare efficiently now. No need to breed a single thing. Rest assured I see it and have enough to meet a chance requirement and then sell to competitors.)
• feed -- oh no, can't rule it out
• tree fruit
• products -- (parrot feathers clear choice followed by eggs. So far pheromones have been excluded ... If need be I'll open with 1 million ... not exchange value but 500 million exchange value for starts.)
• tools -- a little caution needed in regards to the tools to hold
• craft goods -- only nonsalable ones have an exchange value, they would have to use what is specifically defined as market value. There surely is a way to prepare.
• the random requirement can be implemented -- only to receive complaints of favoritism. In that case I will certainly send a couple of randomly chosen baby farms.
• CCs -- contribute ccs just to play around ... a bit far fetched as the next
• BBs -- so Hoedown turns into a competition for those who invest RL funds or is the requirement enough to be satisfied by starting a few movies and going to the shower?
• Contribute whatever one can grow during a specified time period ... not much different than any other event

Silly Guy, I know you can see it. It's a whole different approach which may easily be put into place. And this event is not for farmers with limited barns as it has traditionally been a barn burner. There is no hansy pansy if one seriously wishes to play on that playground.

Don't even think the demand for tree fruit lately in various aspects of the game stops the acquisition method above from working beautifully. Simply requires one not to panic and remain committed.

I think I'll present the breeding animal aspect next.

Quite simply and for your amusement: Those who can prepare, will and efficiently do so. Those who can't, dream and will overspend.


farmer_broke
EN Forum family member

 

I have some tree fruit I'd like to sell to both of you, should the need arise

 

Please send me an IGM, wolfie.
Like to talk private as long as 20% EV. lol.
I'm a good buyer..

 

Want a Loan Broke ???? HA HA HA i have a couple extra Banana skins floating about in the barn lol .....

 

@wolfeyesone

I see SillyGuy is ready to work out something. You are not forgotten. Should you find you have the need, I'll pay a premium for anything you want to sell. When it come to you, profit is always secondary to me.

@igotfrogs

When Frogs showed up I knew we were in the money.

Sure I can use a loan ... and from you ... for sure

Banana Skins?

Frogs I have to sell the gift in order to buy what I want so that I can earn a return to pay you back and to give you a return on your money.

You have millions, I'm broke ... what are the terms?

Frogs now creating new products....hahahaha

 

Hey Broke!
I'm making a killing on Ostrich Eggs and Koi... Got Some ?
Apparently a certain rabbit is driving some of the Birthday Bash participants crazy with her demands.

 

SillyGuy, surely that need has not arisen yet with the hoedown many months away You are a quick one...
@ 20% EV of course you are a good buyer, not sure what kind of seller that makes me..after all a buck 48 adds up quickly too you know ( But as you may have surmised, that really isn't the reason for the offer)
As every game has the option to monitor all aspects within it, we know that private is not really private at all
but will igm RE: markets

Farmer_Broke I tire of hide & seek, Do you think the farmwife will let you play a new game, perhaps a hunting one ?

I am too slow with posting (as usual)

Many thanks Farmer_Broke, very kind and appreciated.

make em pay Frogs...

 

Hello Banjoman. Good to hear you are doing well in the market.

Ostrich eggs should be all gone now and so will koi. I was not really prepared in those areas. Did the best I could with what I had.

Playing fish and ostrich feed as they should do much better after the event ends. Doing well with beaver feed. Takes a long time to mill it and not parting with it cheap.

Well stocked with beavers, timber, and peacock but not really trying to do anything. I'm just making enough to buy the desperation offers.

Selling a few crops here and there but not trying; just letting the barns empty.

Working Dogs though. It is the best animal to give for the animal trophy and Reindeer are no longer competitive. Second to that I'm working Eagles for the same reason.

Picking up Anaconda feed and stashing Anaconda. Ever a decent call for Anaconda and the mills cannot keep up. And breeding them would turn breeding wilder than it already is.

Selling in lots of 2 - 4 is just too much work. Rare animal feed is still selling well and profit is good so just liquidating it. Still holding over 40,000 bat feed, profit is good, but lot size is small so no hurry hurry.

Wish I had the motivation to bother selling seriously during this event but just don't. Happy to hear you are doing well.

 

Please do not do that... I will always pay for what I get.. I refuse if it's any harm your stocks and CCs..
I am a person who likes independent, does not like to be pampered. Please..!!

I absolutely know what it means.
Thanks wolfie and broke.

 

Well Broke ...... This birthday Bash made my purse strings tighten a little ,,,,, but have now made it all back i mean who that wants to make moneys keeps such things as big birdy eggs in the barn! i mean they mean a nice steady income of cc's lol .... i had to give in and buy some .... but on completing tasks I've now regained all coinage ..... I COULD cut you a deal BUT i'm unsure you are good for return I've heard talk about how broke you are hehehehe ....