Breeding FSQs

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  1. bwraven

    bwraven Someday Author

    Is there a thread discussing strategies for breeding quests somewhere on the forum? If there is I would be grateful if someone could point me to it. If not, whoever is willing to share the wisdom, please do.
    Now obviously I am after a bit of knowledge for which I am not entirely ready to spend the mental effort for now :p, but that time seems to be approaching, since I'm almost out of normal quests (at least the ones that are feasible to complete at the moment)and I thought I should get the background thinking process moving in advance.
    If someone has issues with sharing knowledge for free, it's ok, I still love you :music:.
     
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  2. betty127

    betty127 Junior Expert

    Never EVER breed outside a baby boom. And use pink jelly when you possibly can - though worth noting it only works on pens you start AFTER you use it - not retroactively. That's it really. If you can come by any jumbo stables in trade & gift, they help, as they give you coloured animals, saving you breeding them and wasting Power Feed. If you've got breeding on your mind, its also worth tracking pheromone prices on your market for a bit, so you can buy at the best time. If you can use pink jelly, you should only need one pheromone per pen. Pink jelly is, I believe, a level 3 confectionery item (check this), but may work out cheaper to buy and use if breeding en masse than extra pheromones would be. That's it, I think. Stock up your PF! Good luck and best wishes. Bxx
     
  3. woody

    woody Commander of the Forum

    Its often better to just buy some of the lower level animals.. and the prices of those are generally cheaper outside of the breeding events. I often make money by selling the second or third level breeding animals and selling them to buy bigger animals. But, it just depends. Some people like breeding, and during events you sometimes get skips which can be a real bonus.
     
  4. abubadi66

    abubadi66 Old Hand

    Hi, if you want my personal experience on the issue of breading for FSQ, I will share it but first, you have know that doing these quests are costly, and time consuming, and it takes a very very long time to finish, I have been breading for three years now, and not yet finished, even did not finish 1 quest of these, but now I am at level 9 of all these quests and 3 or 4 at level 10, in the beginning, my goal was to finish all FSQ, but I found later that things became more complicated, since the introduction of new quests that requires high level colored animals, like soup and friends, so my priorities changed here, since the reward for this new quest are more important and more beneficial, and there is the issue of the upgrades for stalls and workshops, and you will find after some time that the normal stalls and workshops even the orange upgrades are not enough in terms of quantities and EP, when you reach over level 85 and you find that leveling up takes ages, so here red and pink stalls and work shops become a solution, they give better EP, and better quantity, the pink stalls gives 3 animals and the pink workshops gives 2 products.

    so back to our subject, before you start:
    1- you have to decide how much you want to do from these quests, and why you want to do it, is it for EP, or for the stars etc... .
    2- you have to be prepared properly for breading by:

    - try to unlock the breading rune on the tree that gives you 20% chance for twins or extra animals.

    - try to unlock the runes that gives you some extra animals to start breading, and some colored animals, for the animals you decide
    to bread, or the statues in the temple, for the Bahama animals.

    - you have to stock power feed and phoremons, these two determines how much you can bread, and you have to check your budget
    to see if you are able to buy power feed when they are on sale, milling power feed helps but not much, you need to keep your
    mill running all the time to be able to bread good quantity, while you are sacrificing the process of producing animal feed, which
    leads to the market, and also leads to other issues regarding the mill, like runes, cloud raw etc... .

    - you need to stock on pink jelly that cuts the breading time by 50%.

    - you try to stock on phoremons, try to get a few scented trees for phormones, or try to buy from the market if you find good deals
    and ask you neighbors to send you phoremons for some time. or if you can buy a premium membership, that gives you a free
    bottle on every breading process if you feel you can or otherwise it is not a big deal.

    - if you have the cloud raw that reduce breading time, it helps reduce the breading time to 5 minutes with the pink jelly and 4
    phoremones.

    - Last, you need to build up some animals stocks before you start breading.

    with that said, my final advice is bread only during the baby boom day, the deference is huge, so it become unworthy to bread on normal days, I started breading on BBD using 18 breading pen, and now I am using around 30 pens on all fields including the island.
    good luck and I hope you get a vey good results.
     
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  5. bwraven

    bwraven Someday Author

    OK, first order of business is: thank you all for sharing.

    Now I need to clarify a few things. I am lvl_92 on my farm with all relevant runes unlocked. My primary drive for completing the breeding FSQs is FOCD (just has to be done :mad::p, the rewards I get from them at this point in game are ridiculous). I also have the cloud row, although time is not really the limiting factor here since I can clear all fields at any time and do a lot of breeding simultaneously. One of the recent events (can't remember which one) brought with it a whole load of Pink Jelly so I've got plenty and even if I didn't they are dirt cheap in the market. Also got close to 10000 pheromones from my three pheromone trees because I did't use any up until recently (I took a break from events for about a year to complete as many normal FSQs as i can, a decision that I now regret, alas, nothing can be done about that).

    As you may have guessed already from the previous bragging paragraph my limiting factor is PF.

    Side note: when I started playing this game I was ridiculously poor and wouldn't even dare think to spend real money on a somewhat silly :)music:) online game, now, although I am on the top end of the poor spectrum and could afford to buy quite a bit of stuff for the game, I am reluctant to do so, there's a certain pleasure in going toe to toe with players who spend RL money on the game.

    Back to the point. Milling it is not a viable option since the revenue from selling animal feed on the market is about 1/3 of my daily CC income. The only option I'm left with (apart from event rewards and occasional wheel prize) is buying large PF packages with BB when they are on offer, and the only serious source of BB is the cinema.

    This is turning into an essay so I'll get to the point(s), I would like some help from people who have done extensive breeding (or haven't, but have some ideas in theory) in clarifying two points:

    1. You all know the normal progression of breeding, 4 x lvl-x_animal -> lvl-x+1_animal. Am I right to approximate the progression during BBD as 3 x lvl-x_animal -> lvl-x+1_animal (taking into account the fact that you don't always get twins, sometimes you get a higher level animal, which is nice, and sometimes you get lvl_0 animals, which is not so very much) or is it better than that perhaps just 2.5 or something. Has anyone bothered to count on multiple occasions and find a medium value??? And while we're at it, can the random animal you get also have a lower level than the ones doing the breeding?
    2. Unless you like breading just for the sake of it (and because it can be fun;)) the first few levels of the breeding FSQs are easier completed by buying the animals of the market. My question is, at what level animal would you start breeding rather than buying? This is where that ratio from my first point comes in, because if you, say, need a lvl_5 animal but it is 4x the price of a lvl_4 animal it would make more sense buying lvl_4, breeding during BBD and getting your lvl_5 plus something more (hopefully not lvl_0>:().

    That's enough for now. Sorry for the wall of text and possible irrelevant chatter.
     
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  6. abubadi66

    abubadi66 Old Hand

    I am surprised bwraven, you seem prepared more than me, and you are 1 level higher, I am level 91 and in a few days I will reach 92, now for your questions, the way I understood it, first the skips always happens and it is not related to BBD, but the amount of animals you get is related to BBD, I used to bread not on BBD but now stopped, usually I get skips at the rate of 1 to 4, but that's not a rule, it is luck, and the skips often is 2 levels so with rune and without BBD usually 4 xlvl animals = 1 x lvl+1 or 1 xlvl+2 or 1 x_lvl+1 and 2 lvl 0
    but on BBD what I usually get twins of a 1 level higher animals or 2 different level colored animals or 3 and when you get a higher level animal like 2 or 3 or 4 level skips the game tends to give the other animal at the same level you used or lower and if it is level 1 it will gives you instead, 2 or 4 or 6 level 0 animals, and very rare you get the highest level animal from level 1 or level 2 with another colored at random or the regulars, and about the value you mention, I don't know exactly but it seems it is better than that for me but not always the same, the last event reason were not as good as the one before that, but it is still fine.

    for you other question, during BBD I avoid the market, because the prices go up, the issue here is that to keep watching the market to get good offers and lately the prices of level 3 and 4 animals are much better than level 2and 1, and the choice of what level is better to start breading, to me it depends on the stocks I have, and the demands, so I bread all levels because they started asking for low level colored animals in the events, so I try to keep stocks at least 12 to 16 of level 1 and 2, and the need to build color upgrades for the stalls and workshops, the orange buildings ask for level 3 and 4, and the red needs level 5 and 6, I am done with the orange so I am on the red then I shall start on level 7 and 8 for the pink, I wanted to be done with FSQs like you, but there is other things comes between me and that like the harvest hoe down event, the crazy race to prove yourself by being 1 of the top 1000
     
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  7. -Mir85-

    -Mir85- Living Forum Legend

    Hi bwraven :) I am not an expert, but I have some thoughts on the subject :) Firstly, if you can't buy lots of power feed, you are going to have to rely heavily on cc and the market. The first thing I would do is to try to find ways to earn more cc. If you don't care too much about ep, try to set up your farm production for producing things that can be sold with high profit, or try to find a good balance between cc and ep. Next, I would get familiar with the breeding market. Check the prices daily if you can, to get a feel for what is the normal price, bargains, and good price for selling.
    I would in general do the opposite, breed low level animals, and buy the higher. Very often a level x+1 animal costs 3 times level x (there are definitely exceptions here). Now, if you breed level 1 animals, the chance of getting two level 2 animals is quite high. If you breed level 5 animals, the chance of getting two level 6 animals is quite low. If the price of the level 6 animal is only 3 times that of level 5, then you will often loose profit. If the price is 4 times higher, then I agree that breeding is the best option :)
     
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  8. Brookeham

    Brookeham Forum Freak

    Very, very good advice from everyone!!!! I am an extensive breeder and have finished more than 1/2 of the breeding quests and all but 1 of the Soup quest (darn cows)o_O...but if I had to do over again...this is how I would do it.
    1st, I would do silvers up to level 10 and finish, because you get the best rewards for pink animals (even some pf's). Then I would work my way backwards.
    2nd...with all the buffs, rune and cloud row...I would use only 1 pheromone or none. I am a premium player..so I get 1 automatically. Pheromones are good little cc makers right now!
    3rd - Troll the market for good buys on colored animals...this a Huge time/money saver!!! I used to only buy red animals(ie knight horse)...but with the Soup quest...I am trying to even buy higher!

    Once a breeding quest is finished, I thought I would cash in on my high level colors that were left over....but I have a sense/feeling BP will ask for these again (which they did with the Soup quest) which burned me...'cause I had sold all my leftover level 9's. Aaargh!!!>:(

    BP may even do a Soup II.:music:...so now I am hanging on to high level breeders.

    I also Do Not finish the product quests!!! I feel it's a Huge waste of resources for very little reward!!!

    Aluntino recently gave great advice on milling pf...but I cannot remember the thread....maybe someone or even he will add it here!

    Good luck...and all very good points and discussion!!!;)
     
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  9. -Mir85-

    -Mir85- Living Forum Legend

    I have finished all the product quests (except cooking pots), but have no interest in the breeding quests :wuerg::pxDxD
     
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  10. Brookeham

    Brookeham Forum Freak

    Mir - You have to be joking????:wuerg:o_O Pain palettes are selling for 2900cc's...............on last level of quest it asks for 40 for the giant reward of 13k EP and 7600cc's!!!>:( You could sell them at the market and receive 116,000 cc's!!!! Plus....all the time(and turkeys) it takes to produce 40 of those darn pain palettes!!!!:oops:

    Also....forgot to add to above...I do not breed except for BBD...although my friend DBAYES has bred a bit outside of BBD and had very good results. hmmmm:music:
     
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  11. -Mir85-

    -Mir85- Living Forum Legend

    Brooke, it is called FOCD :wuerg: In the beginning I didn't buy from the market, and sold very little. My main farming goals (outside events) were producing things for FSQs. I didn't spend any RM (now I do), so the power feed and harvest helper prizes were very tempting. The breeding quests were just completely impossible since I didn't buy PF (or use the market much), so they never tempted me. Now my playing style is very different, but still addicted to the non-breeding FSQs :p I am also weak for stars :inlove:

    bwraven, sorry for the off topic :oops: lets get back to breeding :D
     
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  12. BlackCaviar

    BlackCaviar Forum Overlooker

    If you don't wish to mill PF and you are making CCs by milling feed, then raise base animals, sell them and buy all the upper level animals to finish the quests. Period.
     
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  13. bwraven

    bwraven Someday Author

    Thank you all for the extremely valuable insights on breeding.

    This post is just to let you all know that I am reading everything with a lot of interest and not saying anything since... well... I don't have much to say on the topic. Please keep going, your experiences might prove valuable to other players as well.

    As for me, I'll keep reading what you are saying and let the possible strategies breed ( :p ) in the back of my mind. I rarely make changes in my routine on the fly, unless forced to do so (e.g. manure), therefore it will likely take some time and tweaking until I settle on a definite procedure. I will start on the very next BBD because so far I have only used them when there was breeding necessary for ongoing events, and that is a terrible waste of opportunities, if only for the chance to enrich my current account. I'll most likely give a first go to breeding low level animals, keeping big skips (if there are any) and reselling low level results for CCash. Still, this is just a first outline of an idea, nothing is definite, time will tell.

    As an aside to Mir and Brook: yeah... there was no way my brain could leave the product quests unfinished, I had a hard enough time resisting the temptation of donating items for level 10 even though my rational self and my OCD self had a deal to only complete those during events when Harvest Helper is needed :eek:, needless to say, I have some self control issues when it comes to Farmerama.
     
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  14. -Mir85-

    -Mir85- Living Forum Legend

    Hi Neily :) there is something you can do :) there is an option to sort the quests, click the yellow button next to the search field in the farmers society. If you choose the option to sort after "recently started", then all the quests you are not working on will go in the end. Hope this helps :)
     
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  15. Mooboy

    Mooboy Commander of the Forum

    I Have been Breeding for almost 4 years Gosh.....When I first Started I had FOCD back then, that it was easier to Breed Animals Back then as there was Less Different Breeding Animals to Breed, Therefore you could focus on let say breeding chickens or cows. Back then there wasnt any other quests from Breeding Animal Except for Breeding Quest. Which Actually Kept the Price of Breeding Animals Low.

    Sadly The Price of Most Breeding Animal have gone up, since they have introduce the Beanstalk, additional FSQ asking for Breeding Animals and now had couple of Events asking for Breeding Animals. With All this going on there is a shortage of Breeding Animals in the Markets. Which had force the Price of Breeding Animals to go up alot, many of them actually have more than doubled in price then what they use to be.

    In Good Old Days for those who is rich in CC could snap up alot of these Cheap Breeding Animals to Actually complete stages of the Breeding Quests without using a single Power Feed. I am one of those who is rich in CC have brought loads of Breeding Animals and Try do Lots of Breeding using Little Power Feeds as possible. Having loads of CC really does help you save alot of real Money and BB not having to buy lots of PF for breeding.

    I most of the Time Actually Mill Power Feeds takes 9 Hours to make 1 PF but now we got new cloud row that helps speed up Milling Power Feeds. There is almost a Mini Event Milling Subsription of 75 BB for 30 Days to reduce your milling time by 50%. Not to Mention there is also a rune that reduce milling time by 10% called Super Mill.

    Option 1

    You can do lots of Milling of Animal Feeds then sell them back to the markets and use the proceeds of CC to buy up Bargain Cheap Breeding Animals either level 1 to level 10 breeding animal this save you alot of PF. But the prices of Breeding Animals have gone up but so have Animal Feed Prices but the Ratio vs Animal Feed Prices the animal feeds prices is no longer the practical. Not to Mention such as milling Spider Feeds cost more then it is to Mill it. It Better to find out ways to Make CC in the Markets and use Proceeds of CC to buy Breeding Animals but it can be quiet time consuming to do this browsing the markets !!!

    Option 2

    You can either just do Pure Breeding and use lots of PF do Breeding during BB or outside BB and Happy to Buy PF Packages for Breeding Events. Just Pray on very lucky Skips on Breeding Animals. That Helps you Progress with Breeding Quests. This is Most Expensive Option also will take a very long time to complete a Breeding Quest this way or is happy to spend a small fortune of real money on this

    Option 3

    This option is my Method and Probably the Most Sensible and practical option. It is a combine Effect to Earn Powerfeeds from

    • Winning Power Feeds on Farmerama Wheel
    • Milling Power Feeds
    • Completing Quests/Breeding Quests
    • Completing Events than rewards you with PowerFeeds
    • Occasional Bonus Codes Rewards
    • Renzo Fair Rewards
    • Watching Cinema Videos to convert Cinema Points to BB then used the build up BB to buy PF Packages
    • Get Neighbour who buy PowerFeed Large Packages that send you Power Feeds as Gifts
    I have slowed down on Breeding Quest since the Introduction of Soups and Friends Quest had made it more Expensive to Complete Pigs,Cows,Horses,Fish,Ostrich and Donkey Breeding. I have completed Pig Breeding but lucky I kept the remaining Breeding pigs to help me get the Piggy Bank Pig just need the one!!1

    Breeding Animals Especially New Breeding Animals. Really does help you make loads of CC. As I now hold and build up my Power Feeds for Next Breeding Event it looks like it going to be Chameleon Breeding ;)
     
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  16. woody

    woody Commander of the Forum

    I offer another variation, mixing the above:

    I used to grow animals, sell then and buy both feed and higher level animals. I alternated between milling feed and PF, mostly milling feed in shorter periods when I was doing other things, then switching to PF for longer stretches, but primarily milling PF, since I could not buy it.

    Now that I have both a mill subscription and the cloud row, plus occasonally buy PF on sale, I do larger lots of everything (to take most advantage of the cloud row speed-up).

    EDIT: One small hint, after reading elsewhere in another thread in this section about the value of orange pens, I now set aside the needed animals in my meadow in single/group pens to "store" them until I have the tools. I do this during BBD days, mostly so I don't accidentally sell them. The EP gained is not much, though it doesn't hurt. Its more a storage/reminder.

    Baby booms give extra animals, but they are almost always lower level animals. Skips are the same regardless. This means that as you try to go for higher and higher level animals, its less important to stay with boom days....

    just at thought.

    Also, many times you can do better watching the market and selling specific levels to get higher animals. It really depends, and is not necessarily the same in every market so watch your own. Just as an example, level 2 animal prices often spike during events. You can sometimes buy a level 4 outright more cheaply than you can breen 4 level 2 animals.

    EDIT... just realized this was a double post... went back to change it, but apparently a mod caught the issue first. Thank you .. whomever and sorry. For some reason the last post did not appear when I first looked at the thread (maybe on wrong page)
     
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