Feedback Lyra Wonder Stables & Guess Who

I am so new to the farm game that I can't make any comments on what everyone has gone through with quests, ect, and my posting here about my excitement over a platypus stall I (think it was a given with purchase of 30 pack?) I can only hope for more future "player feedback" posts of changes that make the game fun and exciting for everyone.

 

I only bought 4 stables but very happy to get the second to last new animal, the kiwi . I also got a cat kennel, orange turkey run and a raccoon..all of which I already have but I'm happy with my purchases so far. I might even be naughty and buy a few more..Friday 13th bring me some more luck please!

 

The bonuses that you pay RL money for are your benefits. If you put money into this game, you can have more BBs, more secret stables/seedlings, easier ways to harvest, plant and build your farm, more powerfeed. These are benefits and bonuses that non-paying players don't have, and if you feel that you're not being rewarded for paying money then I question what you're doing spending it if the benefits you get from doing so aren't considered rewards for your payment. Your payment is rewarded with extra benefits and bonuses, and should not earn you more special treatment.

This game markets itself as a free game for all, and that is first and foremost what it should be. As soon as events become impossible for non-paying players, the game stops being free. It is built around being a game that you do not have to pay for to succeed in or to enjoy, and that you certainly do not have to pay for to participate. Introducing events that only paying players can become involved in excludes those who cannot or choose not to pay, and thereby stops being a game that everyone can participate in to the maximum without paying a dime.

Payment options exist to streamline the game process, but none of the features that you as a paying player are spending your money on are actually necessary to the structure of the game. By being able to harvest faster or have/make more powerfeed or open an artisan craft earlier (as examples) you have benefits over non-paying players, because you are able to use these features better than they can. However, the game remains free, because these non-paying players can eventually have the very same features as you, by working towards them rather than paying to have them quickly. They are therefore not excluded from enjoying these features, you are just benefited from paying RL money by being able to have better features faster. This is your reward for choosing to spend RL money on the game. Now you want to exclude those who play a free game from enjoying all its features because you "deserve" a reward for generously paying a few pounds a month for bonus features?

I love the fact that the event changed to a permanent quest because I am one such non-paying player. I play this game because it is the best of its kind out there. What's more, I know I can enjoy it to its maximum potential without having to spend money I don't have just to be able to participate. The event as it initially stood excluded players who, like me, cannot pay for the bonuses. Bonuses should be just that - enhancements to an already existing feature. In a "free" game, they should not be a necessity for successful participation. Hence, BP, you made a wonderful decision - and I commend you for that.

 

i'm not going to get hosed again, not spending cash to take it in the shorts i will wait for santa

 

Are you kidding me! Are you kidding me!! I just wasted 30 BB on this event only to get a yellow cow dairy and another dove cote which now gives me 5 of those,i do not have a stork pen,wolf pen,not even a hedgehog pen,and BP has added a new quest which requires those and more and all you reward me with is pens i really do not need!!! Why do i wastes my time with this foolish game anyway. Go ahead and send me another survey in the cinema and promise you BP fails. You people moinitor this game and know what i have in my inventory and yet all i get is repeats with no hope of ever finishing any quest in the FS. The same can be said for the farm wheel it rips us off.

 

Hi, you do not need to be so agressive. Any mistery stable/seedling purchase is a lottery: the more you buy, the luckier you get. They are programmed 'by random'. If you do not want to waste your time with 'this foolish game', just quit and play some other games.
Dear BP team,
I much appreciate the fact that the event has been changed to the permanent quest. Though, I would agree with some players that it has been too many rare stables quests introduced for a short period of time. My farm is gradually trasforming into a zoo Please no more new animals and new quests for rare animals!!!
Graphics for Platypus are so cute! Love them!
Thank you so much!

 

After taking a break from the game for awhile, I decided to try 2 stables to see if there has been any improvement. An orange chicken and a crow hoard, both of which are completely useless to me at level 88. Actually, both are completely useless to anyone except a lower-level player. It was a total waste of BBs. This is exactly why I stopped spending real money on this game a long time ago and why I have no plans to start again.

 

Please remove the basic workshops from the potential results, as well as the workshops that already have product trees: cow dairies, goat dairies, egg farms, and apiaries. If you really wish to include workshops, please make them a minimum of orange upgrade or higher. They are worthless for high level farmers and cannot be used for the Gigantica train and in my experience from last Gift and Trade, not even newbie farmers want them. I offered them and had no takers as they would rather have the product trees. Don't use them, can't give them away, can't recycle them...what good are they? Certainly not worth 15 BB.

I am very happy the event was changed from a short timed event to a permanent quest. This way we will all eventually be able to acquire a snorkel shop.

As always, the graphics for the pens are great but I, too, feel a bit overwhelmed with so many new introductions of trees and animals so frequently. Not enough time to catch your breath and enjoy them. Certainly no room to place them all...not even if only one each on the farm.

The price for the 30 pen package with the guarantee of the platypus is too expensive. It was the same with the trees. The price for the guarantee is too high.

 

I appreciate that the quest was turned into a permanent one, much fairer for those who choose not to pay. Love the mystery stables despite the fact that my track record is abysmal of late. My one eyebrow raising moment was the price of the 30 stable package - ouch springs to mind. I also hate the basic workshops offered in MS - they should be omitted for high level players.

 

I came here to say, come on BP be reasonable.... Yellow Chicken Coops, seriously? Not even a newbie wants to open that.


As for this reply.
You don't have to agree, that's fine, I welcome that but....
Those of us paying lots of real money ARE the reason this game continues, and the reason that you are able to play for free. Did you think of that before you started your rant!

 

Indeed I did, and my point still stands. I am not a fool. I know it is your money that makes this game free for me and I am thankful for that. My point does not change. You pay RL money by choice, and this keeps the game running. In return, you get benefits that make the game easier for you to play.

You are not paying money out of the goodness of your heart at no personal benefit. You are not donating to charity. You are paying directly for your own privilege and those of us with insufficient funds or means to do so are lucky in that your choice to pay means we do not have to. Regardless, you are still receiving substantial compensation for the relatively little amount of money you choose to spend on this game. You are receiving compensation in the form of the benefits and bonuses that you pay for. Your money helps us play for free and in return, your reward is your benefit. The benefit that those of us who do not pay therefore do not have, because we have not made the payment that earns us that right. If you give 10 USD to the game, you get 300 BB. It would take me 3-4 months to earn that amount through the cinema. You are privileged in this way and you are entitled to this benefit because it is BP's compensation for your monetary payment.

You already have your bonus and I do not understand why you feel you are deserving of more bonuses than you have paid for. You pay 10 USD and you get the appropriate compensation for that. This is all your 10 USD earns you. If you are going to receive further bonuses that exceed the amount you are entitled to by paying 10 USD, you should pay for them. If you are not going to pay more for extra bonuses like being able to participate in events that are too hard for non-paying players, then the rest of us who also do not pay extra for that bonus should be just as entitled to participate. If you buy a sandwich and pay for 3 fillings, you are entitled to 3 fillings. You cannot receive 5 fillings just for being decent enough to choose to pay. You have paid for 3 fillings and you get 3 fillings. If you want 5, you must pay for the extra 2.

 

When I first saw the sweetcorn post I thought whoa, not sure about that one.
I thought about it as I was reading on and realized OK maybe I'm being selfish because I could never finish in such a short time.

Fact is that it's not an unreasonable thing to say at all, I'd never really thought about it that way. The people that love farmerama and or are addicted to it for whatever reason and are putting cash into this game don't just benefit themselves they benefit all of us, the only thing to say is Thanks.
The point is valid, they are the reason that we play for free, no if's and's or but's about it! If something special comes their way Bravo for them.

With all due respect your logic is insane.
The point that you're not getting (although you say you do) is the cash player paid for the sandwich with three fillings but YOU got extra two fillings for free not the sandwich buyer.

Please don't write another novel, let's just agree to disagree.

 

Perhaps you misunderstand. I am not at all saying they deserve nothing. In fact, they deserve a great deal. I am saying they have already received the reward they are entitled to. They deserve, and have earned the right to, the benefits that they receive in return for their payment. I challenge you, however, to find a society or an economy in which it is an expectation that paying customers receive endless benefits beyond what they have paid for, simply for having paid an amount at one point in time. Perhaps I should be receiving chicken dinners every week for free because once in 2010 I bought one.

This is the way all economies work, and Farmerama should be no different. Every product has a value, and when you pay something worth a certain amount you are entitled to receive back a different product worth the same amount. As with my sandwich analogy, if you pay money with a value that equates to 3 fillings, you are entitled to receive 3 fillings. This is deserved. The generosity you have shown towards the company is rewarded with a new product (the sandwich) worth the same value as what you paid. You are not entitled to two extra toppings at no monetary cost simply for your initial generosity (paying for the sandwich). You have received what you paid for, the debt is cleared, and neither party owes anything more. You have paid a certain value and received back a new product of that value. If you would like the additional two fillings, you must pay extra to receive them. The fact that you paid for a sandwich with three fillings does not mean you deserve an extra two fillings for free.

Farmerama is the same. It is a free game, which means that every player should be able to participate in this game and every necessary feature in it without having to pay money. If it were impossible to participate in an event without having to spend some money, then the game would no longer be free.

We are very lucky in that there are options in the game to pay for benefits. Such benefits include premium membership, extra BBs, booster baskets during events, early opening of artisan trades, mill subscriptions and harvester subscriptions. The reason the game is free in spite of these is that players who do not spend RL money can still access almost everything that they entail, and those features that they cannot access are not imperative to the game. We are also very lucky that many people choose to purchase these bonuses, because it is this that makes the game free for those of us who cannot afford to do so.

When people choose to spend money on this game, they are not making a donation to BP. They are making an exchange, which is, as I was saying, the basis for all economies. It is an exchange of goods worth a certain value. Their money has a certain value and the bonuses available to them are worth a certain value. For instance, 300 BBs are worth the same value as 10 USD. When people choose to spend 10 USD, they are entitled to 300 BBs, because this is a product that has the same value as the money they have chosen to pay. Therefore, when they receive their 300 BBs, no party is in debt; they have paid a certain value and received back the same value in the form of a different product.

They are responsible for allowing the game to continue being free, and I am very thankful for that. They are rewarded for their generosity with the bonuses that they have chosen to pay for. When someone gives BP 10 USD, the game is able to continue being free. They are rewarded for this generosity with 300 BBs.

So yes, they do deserve bonuses and compensation for the value that their payment brings to the game - and they have received this already.

Insane, is it?

No, I didn't get any fillings. I got the basic bread. I don't have any bonuses - I have no fillings.

 

I have three points for you Mr., SantaClause:

1- this is not a debate thread, it is a feed back, every one entitled to say his feed back, and it is directed to BP not to you to answer here and debate others opinions.
2- you forget to put your feed back about the subject which is lyra wonder stables and Guess who quest, instead you took a very big space and write very long about a different subject.
3- you think you are smart by saying that paying players received already their bonuses, if we are speaking about these bonuses there is the premium membership that gives these bonuses, but we pay far more beyond that, and for an event like this when we pay a big amount say for the package or for a high number of secret stables and when we are disappointed by the results, that's why we complain because we expected better, so what is the harm when there is something special for the paying players.

I am not defending sweetcornfarmer, but what you said provoked me, I am not a rich person, but my circumstances allows me to pay for the game, and when it comes to help, I help whenever I can, either in this game or in the real world, so please do not speak about charities and donations because you don't know what the players do either in the game or in real life.

my apologies for mods and other players if this was long, and now to my feed back:

A typical BP behavior by introducing a lot of stuff that became a burden on us player while presenting very high price packages with out considering our pleas and complaints, and the results are not satisfying, by still throwing a lot of unwanted stalls at us like the yellow upgrades and workshops, and other supposed to be rare stables which now are not rare anymore, please adjust the random outcome of the results a be more acceptable and to make some balance, other wise you are not encouraging the players to buy more.
for the new quest, wither it is temporary or permanent it is not a big deal to me, but hard challenges are welcome from time to time, again the requirements are very high and the rewards does' not suit the efforts except for the last stage of the quest.

 

1. Yes, everyone is entitled to their feedback and opinion, as I am to mine.
2. I have mentioned my feedback in previous posts, but if I am required to provide more then it is that these events are always wonderful and 100% fair, so I commend BP for that
3. I don't recall ever claiming to thing I was smart. You pay far more beyond what? Whenever you pay for something you get bonuses in return. You are repaid exactly what you earn; BP does not owe you anything more. You are aware of the likelihood of getting certain stables and choose to pay knowing the chances. I bought 1 stable with 15 BB and got a platypus first off. I know others who spent hundreds of BBs and got no platypus. These are the odds. You know them. You choose to risk them when you pay RL money. If you aren't prepared to gamble, don't gamble. There already is something special for paying players - the bonuses that they get in exchange for their money.

I don't think you understood what I was saying about donations. I did not mention anything about real life. I did not mention anything about how you choose to spend your money on charities. What I said was that BP is not a charity - in other words, you are not generously donating out of the goodness of your heart without receiving anything in return (as you do when you donate to charity). You are receiving rewards and bonuses for your money, you are paying for your own benefit, and you are repaid with your benefits. You don't deserve anything more than this for being a paying player. When you donate to charity you are doing so out of the goodness of your heart and this is when you are deserving of special treatment for being a good person. Sweetcorn seems to believe that they deserve extra special treatment on top of the benefits they pay for, as though they are special people for being paying players. Their rewards are what they get when they pay, they are not deserving of more. They are not extra special people for being paying players.

 

I am very Sensible and Very Practical Farmer. Use loads of Common Sense. When Playing this Game. I do not Waste 15 BB on a Mystery Stable or Wonder Stable. It is simply not worth the Risk of Chancing of Getting Very Rare Animal Stable. Well in fact the odds of getting these rare Stables of Kiwi, Wolf or Roaster or Even the Platypus Pen the Odds of Getting them is about 5% or less than that.

Just a Reminder that you can Win Many Yellow Pens, Which is worthless in my opinion Cos you can buy most of these from The Store using CC. With lots of Hard Grafting Which I have done have over 130 Million CC in My Barn. I can use my CC to buy Yellow Pens without Wasting a single BB or 15 BB. Just to Point out for Farmers who play for Free can achieve many things in this Game or Even Complete Quests without Actually having any of these Rare Stables.

As PUP Mention Above that you can Also Win Cow Dairies, Goat Dairies, Apairys (Any Other Unwanted Production Pens). The Guess Who Quest is not that rewarding at all. Not to Mention it would be very very hard to make a snorkel anyway. It Is not Logical to do this at the moment. As I can always buy Snorkels from the Markets anyway when they start appearing anyway.

It is a good Job that it is a permanent Quest if it was a Short Time Quest it would cause very huge upset as Big point Needs to Give more thoughts into New Events or Quests to listen to all our feedbacks.

Yes I Agree it is going to far to Bring out Way too Many New Animals too Soon. What it the Point of Getting All these Pens when we not got the Lands to use all these Pens. As many of Us have so Many Pens sitting in out Barns Doing Nothing.

I am one of those who can wait to Get Rare Animal Pens from Near Future Events or even Barter and Gift Event.

 

It's not Mr S, it's Miss or Ms S...


I gave up buying on spec over a year ago and adopted a policy of only paying for certainties such as a pet. However I did buy some trees last time & did well with new Bahamarama trees if not with the Farm trees. I have also bought some stables this time, results not yet in.

The reason I did so is because, as other players have said, there have been so many new rare trees and stables (& no B&G )that I was getting further and further behind.

So please, BP, stop introducing new animals & trees every month - every three months, perhaps, would be great.
Maybe you could offer a specific stable or tree for a premium price; just one stable/tree per event, not all of them.
It would be excellent if basic items could be excluded, but I know that's not going to happen!

I am very pleased that the quest was made permanent. I could not have done it as a short-time quest, but now I know that in due course I will get that snorkel workshop

 

Sorry but I can't agree with that logic. Farmerama is perhaps unique that non-paying players can do almost everything that paying ones can, but most "free" games have a limit on what non-paying members can do - it's usuallly just enough to get you hooked so that you have to pay-to-play

Those who pay for free, think youself lucky in what you do get. If you don't think it enough - cough up some money for better benefits.

Yes you can participate in events, but don't complain if you can't finish them

 

wheres the ocean , river, lake , pond , stream or even a creek on this farm that we now need snorkles . like i said this game is bordering on crazy

 

SNORKEL. ssssnnnoorkel. I can't say that word in a normal voice. Can you? (Wine o'clock came early on betty's farm today). xx