I'm broke, again! How do I make ccs?

You are right about the EP

 

Ok I'm just going to go ahead and admit that I don't know how to read the above chart. I get the theory and the basics but once you start with the statistics I get lost. Is there an example that could be given based on a line from that chart that would show how to read the information?

 

@Clashstrummer

• Spreadsheet programs enable one to have parts of a chart computed by the program automatically. We are not able to present such spreadsheets in the forum with the formulas. But we are able present what a spreadsheet would show.

The chart below lists the first five animals we are allowed to produce as we progress in levels. A portion of the chart above is reproduced for ease in discussion. The first five animals are listed below and they so happen to also be base farm breeding animals. They are used in the game in a variety of ways. For example: each animal has its own breeding quest, they are each required as parts of other permanent quest requirements, chickens are used as part of anaconda feed (anaconda is a Bahamarama animal), and each is periodically called for in parts of temporary event quests.

base farm breeding animals	exch val	mkt 40 price 4/13/2015	mkt/exch (# of times)	feed price 4/13/2015
chicken	25.00	369.00	14.76	57.80
rabbit	72.00	730.00	10.14	199.23
goat	78.00	499.99	6.41	293.43
duck	95.00	400.69	4.22	292.80
turkey	115.00	524.66	4.56	66.30

• Exchange value (exch val) is predetermined by the game developers. This is the ONLY consistent number that is given to us by the game. Each animal (and others) has its own predetermined exchange value. We as game players can do nothing about it or influence it. But we can use this permanent number to help guide us in making decisions. We must choose to use it or not use it. We do not have to use it by itself or all of the time. Up to us! So chicken is 25, rabbit is 72 and on and on.

• mkt 40 price 4/13/2015 - I am assigned market 40 and the prices listed are for the animal on market 40 on 4/13/2015. You are on market 32 and this market has its own prices. One should use their assigned market information when making a chart useful to them. So chicken is 369.00 on 4/13/2015, duck is 400.69 on 4/13/2015 and on and on.

• mkt/exch (number of times) - I want to try and use the information in other ways. I took the market value on 4/13/2015 and divided it by the exchange value. For chicken: 369.00 divided by 25.00 is 14.76 . So the current market price of chicken is 14.76 times its exchange value. Performing the same arithmetic for turkey I get 4.56 times. The current market price for turkey is 4.56 times its exchange value.

By themselves the numbers mean very little other than we are able to divide. Much more may be considered when viewed together as we will see.

• feed price 4/13/2015 - The feed prices were obtained from market 40 for each animal on 4/13/2015 . Goat feed was 293.43 on 4/13/2015 and on and on. Feed price was included here in order to prepare to show something else. Again, feed prices differ by market as animal prices do.

Someone please comment or let us know the above is understood. There is more which may be easily presented.

For example: Considering nothing else but what is presented and with no further computations, I'll sell every chicken I have, rabbits must go, time to pick up a few ducks and turkey, ........ hold most goats but sell a few for the profits to buy more ducks and turkey. ...................................................................................... And time passed and goats were called for and about 10,000 were sold quickly. Rabbits are being sold periodically. And the buying and selling goes on and on and on. And producing too. And Real Life!

Here we are using five animals for illustration. In the game there are now 53!

 

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. Of course I have some additional questions if you don't mind.

The market price, is this the price that is calculated in game on a sliding scale? I'm assuming you are not just looking at the price people are listing at and using that. Do you track these numbers daily?

What I'm getting is that this is a big picture look at the market and based on the information you pull you are making decisions on what to grow/raise strictly from a CC earning point of view.

How do you take in to account event guided trends? I watched the market on pigs during the last event fluctuate madly and it never really seemed to steady itself. Just at the point where it would reach a high and seemed to hold someone would drop a large amount of stock well below the market level and prices would plummet. Is that common?

 

U can sell ur animals and crops in the farmers market.

 

sliding scale, this basically gives you a price range you can list an item for sale. you cannot list a product for an amount that is off the scale. this never comes into play for me, i basically look to see what an item is selling for and list accordingly. for quick sale list item cheaper than going rate.
for me the most important thing is to figure out what price range an item usually sells for. the more time you spend on the market writing down prices for each item the better idea you will have for this price range. this cannot be done in a short period of time due to events causing huge swings in supply and demand. recording prices is best done over a few months. this price range will dramatically change with events (supply and demand). not all players have huge supplies of every item in their barn so they go to the market to buy what they need. demand goes up shrinking supply therefore prices increase. then you get the whales (like broke and silly) who buy up everything once the public figures out what will be needed for the next event. this drives up the price.

farmerama has a twist, called exchange value. i just figured this out 2-3 weeks ago. in the barn you will see your stock, beside every item you have exchange value (ev). this is basically only used for quests. certain quests will give you more value than what a product is actually worth. these are the country fair and farming contest fsq. donating 1 lettuce will deduct 1 from the total needed to contribute toward completing the quest. donating 1 carrot will deduct 2.5 from that same total. each item in your barn has a specific exchange value. what this does is play into the supply and demand equation since the two trophies each require millions of contributions.
this is where market price/exchange value (mkt/ev) comes into play. which item gives you the biggest bang for your buck. take the current market price for an item and divide it by its ev, the lower this answer is the bigger the bang for your buck. this is always changing as the market price is always changing. only the ev never changes. best item right now are cuckoos for the farming contest. best for country fair would be a tree fruit. try to get below 0.2 for your best deals, for tree fruit that is (quite a few fruit will come close to this and even dip below). cuckoo is currently 0.66 in my market, no other animal will come close to this for contributions toward farming contest. the lower you can find this value the less you will spend in completing the trophies.

what players try to do is find good deals in the market by applying this simple formula of mrkt price/ev. they record values for every item, once they see a certain item has dropped below their recorded value they decide whether its a good time to purchase. maybe even wait to see if it drops further. the opposite also applies, if that recorded value has gone up they might decide its time to sell. you can further break this down like silly said by also dividing how long each item takes you to grow.

reduce this wall of text to its simplest form. BUY LOW SELL HIGH and always read grapevine thread to see whats coming up in the future.

 

Here's my twist: Buy (or grow it yourself) the raw materials needed to mill food. Then mill the food and sell it. You can mill food for animals you don't even have access to raise. As long as you can buy the necessary items for that recipe, you can mill the food. The food almost always brings a better price than the raw ingredients. The caveat is to check before you buy and mill to see what brings a good price and what is 'meh'.

Also, some of the more rare animals, their feeds are better sold in very small lots - say 5 or less feed per lot. I'm not spending tens of thousands of CCs to buy 100 kiwi feed when I have one Kiwi hut that needs 1 feed per day. Yes, if the per food cost is low enough, it's a bargain, but is it really if it wipes out your CC reserves?

And, FeelFree2Win is right - check the current lowest price before you list. Don't list if you can't undercut that price and still make a comfortable profit. I see some sellers list one CC lower than the previous low cost. That doesn't induce me to buy. But, you list something 50CCs lower on a several hundred CC priced item, and I'll bite. In other words, what constitutes a bargain to me, isn't necessarily what constitutes a bargain to other people. It also depends on how badly I need the item and how many you're selling in the lot.

 

I have to say feelfree2win your way of explaining things just seems to work for me, so thank you. I know it was one of your threads in strategy that I read that helped me to figure out what was going on in the market in the very beginning. I also have a fair amount of farmers that list at ridiculously high prices and in large amounts in my market. My trying to understand why that would ever be advantageous to anyone was where a lot of my confusion came in.

Thanks sewinglady for the advice on the mill food. That is good thinking as some of it goes for a pretty good price. I pretty much always list in small lots and always check the current pricing. I've been watching and following the pricing in several areas of the market since I started to try to get a feel for what is and is not a good price.

You wouldn't know it but I worked in sales for years in the travel industry which is a really difficult to understand and quantify relative value type of industry.

 

Clashstrummer, I can say for at least manure, I often put up quantities for the highest price possible to "store" it temporarily. Funny though, most of the time it sells instead.

 

good trick Sweet_Cassiopeia!

 

SIllyguy I know you want to see an analysis considering time. Time is important, but not just yet. I'll mention it but not in detail just yet. We'll get there.

The following chart includes additional data. The computation is in column 6 below:

• mkt less feed -- I took the market price of an animal in column 3 and subtracted the feed price in column 5. The result give me column 6. Duck for example: The market price is 400.09. The feed price is 292.80. The market price minus the feed price results in 108.69. This I indicate as profit. This does ignore any commission. (I'll just ignore it for now.)
• profit/exchange -- The profit in column 6 is divided by the exchange rate in column 2. Chickens for example: 311.20 divided by 25 is 12.25 times.

To calm Sillyguy down: By now we know that turkeys take longer to produce than duck, and ducks take longer to produce than goats, and goats take longer to produce than rabbit, and rabbit take longer to produce than chicken, and chicken takes the least amount of time of all the animals considered.

Only considering time as in the above, it would seem to reason that one producing ducks should be receiving more profit for the time put in. Well, the profit sure is not great and the profit to exchange rate is the poorest of all.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeellll, being the good neighbor that I am, those selling ducks might just need a few ccs to buy what they need. So I decide to help them and buy their ducks. I know I know I know! Sure I'll be forced to hold the ducks for a while but ........ But I want to continue being a good neighbor. So I buy a few.

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base farm breeding animals	exch val	mkt 40 price 4/13/2015	mkt/exch (# of times)	feed price 4/13/2015	mkt minus feed is profit ignoring listing fee	profit/exch (#of times)
chicken	25.00	369.00	14.76	57.80	311.20	12.45
rabbit	72.00	730.00	10.14	199.23	530.77	7.37
goat	78.00	499.99	6.41	293.43	206.56	2.65
duck	95.00	400.69	4.22	292.80	108.69	1.14
turkey	115.00	524.66	4.56	66.30	458.36	3.99

Oh but chicken chickens take the least time to produce and the profit is not too bad. What do you know, but chicken have the highest profit/exchange rate with 12.45 times. Looks as if farmers may need a few chickens for whatever the reason. So being the good neighbor that I am, I will sell some.

Oh yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaah, rabbits might need a little attention also. Profit is the highest of all (ignoring specific time) and the profit/exchange rate of 7.37 times is also good. So being the good neighbor I am, I sold a few rabbits to the needy at a fair price.

Turkey take the longest to produce and the profit is not bad and the profit/exchange rate of 3.99 is not the worst either. So while I am away from the farm for a while and given these are the only five (5) animals I am considering, I think I'll produce turkey and then sell them immediately in order to fund my duck buying escapade.

On a very limited scale, the above is how generating ccs work more efficiently than wild guessing. And we have even begun to look at exchange value analysis while working with trends (prices at different points in time).

 

Very valuable info, Farmer_broke. And yes, the fluctuations of the market do make it necessary to adjust prices and strategy - as to what to sell at any given point in time.

Not intentionally, but simply because I check prices before I put tree fruit up for sale in the market, I've noticed that prices on the expensive tree fruits can fluctuate quite a bit daily. I've learned to always check immediately before listing. However, I've also learned that even if someone undercuts my price before too long a time has passed, just let it ride - as invariably, mine will swing back to being the lowest and will be purchased. So there seems to be a delicate balance of listing at the right time and watchful waiting.

In the case of higher level breeding animals, I have found that the movement on them can be very slow to negligible. The prices may be high, but it may not be worth the 10% commission even if you list at a loss leader price...the animal(s) may go unsold.

 

Hi,
Wow I can see why abubadi66 called broke a wiz. I'm bending in the dust
And many other pretty clever heads too. I haven't read the hole thread.... yet but I'm going toWhen I find the time and my notebook.

Thought I would chip in anyway In case someone said this before me, then sorry for this post

I've noticed that some of you make offers at a lower price than the cheapest on the market. I do quite the opposite

I once discovered that I can sell many things at a very good price if I just put my offer in big lots - especially the things demanded in new quests in the game.
I've been selling cocking pots for months. When the cheapest offer was at about 9.000 CC I made mine somewhere between 14.000-15.000 CC (sometimes higher) in lots of 50 or 100. (Did I put this right?)
At the moment I only sell Cocking pots in the days after Baby Boom where the price goes up.

I'm selling all my tree fruits from Kowhai, Tamarind and Amherstia in lots of 100 at a price 1000-2500 higher than the lowest.

I also sell many rabbits though I make none myself. I buy them all under the price of 800 and sell them at 1300-1500.

Some players must have a sea of CC and maybe they are lazy too and avoid all the clicks and clicks it will take to buy a 100 or 1000 of something.

 

Flat broke again with exactly -0- ccs. Nowhere to go but up! A half million blackberry, blackberry called for with the event, and can't even list one. What do I do now?

 

Poor FB... Meanwhile Terror Bouquet flooded the market...

 

@SillyGuy
I see market full of Terror Bouquet and glad I do not play them. Nearly 100% profit now on White Innocence though! And it's not nearly over but slow slow slow. They have been used to level the Florist but now the game itself is generating use.

Continuing to gather dog here and no one cares and leaving dog feed completely alone.

Cuckoo market good for me and leaving cuckoo feed completely alone. No offers for cuckoos on this market for 153. They will return and I'll clear um again and ....again. So far so good and cuckoo event on the way.

Have been very slowly gathering peaches too but now price moving upward so I'll back off. Quantities small and a real headache. At 600,000 and want a million. Long overdue for price adjustment. Think about you as I gather other tree fruit here and there. What's your story on parrot feathers?

 

lol FB... I have sold around 120 TBs for 55-75k/each before MM held... Today, we have full of TB flooded the market... You know what it means, right ?!! I know those TBs are not the instant cash for short periods, but who knows what will happen next 4 months later? It will slow slow slow progress, but it is worth it when seen from a little effort done... Don't ask me how many TBs that I tried acquiring today..!!


CAC, quiche, fruit cake, white innocence, beady eye jelly, island paradise jam, EM, ZAB, SW, GM, AMM, MOS, red punch, and yellow coconut are the best things that I ever had.. You named it, I'll list for you..

Don't tease me, please... I want to bring them home..

Psstt... Don't wake the Killer Bear on..!! Patience is our ally..

 

Over the past 4 days I have watched as sellers in my market have consistently driven the price of Blackthorn plums down. Last Friday they were selling between 2200 and 2400cc each currently they are being offered at 1347.82cc each. I've kept a very close eye on this one market as it's one of the few rare trees I have.

The sliding in game scale has been moved all the way down to 1597.60 when it had been holding at around 2200 previously. At each time when the prices have started to rise again someone will dump a new batch of fruit at another low rate and plunge the market again. This is not someone just trying to sell a few items quickly this is several people posting 100's of items at once and it's been pretty systematic.

I get how they are going about it what I don't get is why. Why would this ever be a good idea if you are holding large amounts of the stock? Wouldn't you want to sell it for a higher price if you could? I'm so confused.

I'm also a bit miffed as this was one item I could consistently sell for a large profit.

 

LDCrow - on my market, they have also fallen, but not quite as much. The game market works much the same as markets/retail does in the real world. The laws of supply and demand drive market prices. When demand is high and supply is low, the price goes up. When demand is low and the supply is high, the prices goes down.

As a seller we want to get the best possible price. As a buyer we want to pay the lowest possible price.

Some sellers will set their prices lower for a quick sale. Sometimes, when we're really low on CCs and we have a high demand item such as blackthorn plums, we can finesse the price for a quick sale. I do this almost daily (and not just because I need CCs, it's kind of how I sell things in RL, too). I check the price on blackthorns...if the lowest price is 1799CCs, I'll list mine at 1500CCs. There are other variables to consider as well. If the seller listing at 1799CCs has listed 500 blackthorns in one lot, I'll list mine at 1750, because I generally list blackthorns in lots of 4. So, mine are only a tiny bit less than the seller with 500 in one lot, but mine will sell much more quickly because if someone needs them, but doesn't have hundreds of thousands of CCs to spend on 500 of them at one fell swoop, mine are still a really good deal.

Will the price rebound? It may, but likely it will never go as high as it once was. This is partly because the supply of them in the game is much higher than it previously was before the event quest previous to this current one. I think that a lot of players got blackthorns out of their wonder trees (I know I got two more so I now have a total of 6 of them). So with more trees in players fields, there are more available to list on the markets, so the price will go down. That is until an event quest comes along that asks for them...then the price will go up as demand strips the markets of product.

To see this in action, just check what's happening on your market with platypus and moles. The prices of both on mine has skyrocketed today in anticipation of the new upcoming quests that debut tomorrow. In fact, at one point today, there were NO platypus available for sale on my market - they had all sold - even at the highest possible price (around 60,000CCs). There are now some for sale, but in the 40,000CC range where three days ago they were selling for about 24,000CC.

 

Low priced breeding animals were discussed here several months ago and reasons were given for slow acquisition yet definite acquisition. For a new farmer, the purchase and holding of Albino Bats would most likely have seemed ridiculous. There was no demand. The Albino Bat investment has now turned into unanticipated easy ccs. Again, my sales price decision centers around aspects of price and quantity. To put it crudely: I want to dump thousands of Albino Bats, I don't care what the price will be tomorrow, no playing around with lots of one or two, and I want to sell to only a farmer with ccs. Lots of 20 can be found occasionally but I want to dump thousands with no time for foolishness. So lots of 60 are the smallest and if someone will buy and I am online then I will try lots of 100 and the individual can buy me completely out. Want lots of 1000 and save us both time? Start spending and they will appear.

And 500% profit is not unusual for Albino Bats today. Maybe there will be more tomorrow but today I could care less.

A personality develops as one trades in the market. As ccs are being freed from the Albino Bat market I may hold the ccs and look at them or take a risk on another investment. And we all have choices with our own reasons. Many are logical and defendable and others are trash and can easily be toppled.

One choice I have made is to slowly invest in fish. As a new farmer, fish alone would have been the most I could invest in. Fish! Maybe I can make a little loan and even invest in some cheap fish feed if I can find it. Fish feed! One orange and three cornflowers for each fish feed. Hmmmm Oranges have remained stable for a while and with about 800,000 this may just be the time to acquire a few more. And why not a few more cornflowers too while I'm at it?

Koi is related also and this goes on and on. (Koi have fallen in price over the last few weeks though.)

And no one seems concerned with fish so I will just go on my merry way and buy one or two.

What is going on in your market with respect to Cuckoo?