Chestnut Festival Strategy

I will try to be more clear:
Every week you buy fruit for 500 000CC at a ratio 0.15CC/EV.
That means every week you acquire fruit with a barn value 500 000CC / 0.15CC/EV = 3.3M EV
Then over a year (that was what we were discussing) this adds up to 3.3M EV per week *52 weeks= 173M EV

This does not depend on what is bought, merely on not going over the 0.15CC/EV limit.

I made this calculation just to see how much CC one would at least have to spend each week on average during a year, to prepare for the harvest event 2015. I agree the limit should probably be higher than 0.15CC/EV, but that is not really the point. I used the example we already discussed.

 

Farmer 1000 on list: tadzio1010 10610680


Edit: agi31 10881080

 

Mir, we did it! We understand one another. If using that rate one will probably have a little more in exchange due to using that rate as the highest to pay. Totally correct when using the word average. Sometime we play sometimes not, sometimes we have it to spend and sometimes not.

Lets go further and actually set a rate. Good place for all this in the strategy thread.

@Aluntino
I disagree with it taking a spreadsheet. A sticky on ones computer at most. After a month or two no need for even that. I agree that there is routine and it may get very boring. We do the calculation work a single time and be done with that. One can set a rate now for practice but it will prove inaccurate and need to be readjusted. And that is a cinch.

@solotime
It is not any specific tree fruit .... the desire is to buy some because it will take one years to grow what is needed. I hope not to touch my Jacote or Lychee but makes no difference as it was bought at or below my set rate intentionally anyway. The rate set was applied across the board both deliberately and coldly applied.

One has the choice whether or not to buy above the rate which determined price to pay. But one should justify it to themselves by understanding why and not just spending wildly.

 

Does anyone have the high and low numbers for Top Players by year?

Of course you realize that by posting these strategies that more people will be using them thus making them less useful? But it's all basic market strategy of buy low, sell high. Same thing they've been teaching for decades/centuries.

 

Hi SuzeeRabbit,
Sorry, cannot help with high/low by year. I would like to include that information in my approach.

Level 83 here and would have loved to find what I had to learn. I disagree with sharing this approach, in a manner hopefully understandable by those of various ages and backgrounds, will make them .... less useful. Quite the contrary. Show me a better way with even less effort if you dare. I would like to learn more from you as I do read what you write.. "Basic" ? ........ Knowing it exists is somewhat basic to a few but not to all. Applying it can take months and even years in this game. Applying it in RL can take a lifetime.

Sure, we can collect data (not share it), run statistical analyses of all sorts, use prediction models as the developers do, evaluate trends across a single market or the entire game .... nahhhhhhhhh This is a game and can be fun. Research indicates "fun" enables one to learn easier.

No reason for me or anyone else sharing what they know to family here in the En Forum to not do so. Anyone anywhere in the world is more than welcome to use whatever I share in whatever manner they choose.

SuzeeRabbit, I see you write your opinion. Courage that takes. More importantly for all to see is that you asked for information you wanted. If you or I will ask, why are others timid and want to know something? There are enough of us here and in chat who will freely answer as best they can.

I don't keep any records or write more than a page about anything here. This is a game...Let me get anywhere near serious about this game and ..... I will quite.

Number 7 at the moment. I'm tired of playing Tick Tag on the playground now. Leapfrog it is!

I like your quote and use it: Right, ....I will not be reduced by events I cannot control if I can help it.

 

The information being "shared" is the same taught in basic finance classes. I remember learning some of the basics, simple math, in grade school. By publishing the info more players will use it and I expect some of the bargains to disappear and the markets to flatten. C'est la vie. But then there are plenty of ppl that don't read the forum. And new players all the time. I do share most of my strategy in these threads. I don't have time or energy to follow more this thread and an occasional one or two shorts.

I would have to use a spreadsheet because...
I have a lousy memory.
I have three farms.
I have a lousy memory.
It's quicker and easier than doing the math in my head.
I have a lousy memory.
With a spreadsheet you can quickly and easily adjust the percentage to suit the market fluctuations.

For instance...
Using the Baha 4:
Choco pancake -- 6000 *5= 30,000
Langos -- 750 *5= 3750
MOS -- 7500 *5= 37,500
Red Punch -- 2500 *5= 12,500
For those who don't know... multiplying the BEP obtained by "eating" the product by the same number/factor one gets an equivalent value to use in the market. In other words buying a MOS at 37,500 gives one the same value, unit cost, as RP at 12,500.

Main farm --
I can usually find some of those items in the Market for a price lower than one of those numbers. Usually the RP. Sometimes Langos.
3rd farm -- Currently all four are lower than the above threshold numbers. If I had them in a spread sheet I would try multiply by 4, then 4.5, then 4.75 till I get one or two lower than the threshold value. Instead I lost control... Almost went broke.
2nd farm -- Rarely has one of the 4 below the above thresholds. I would use the spreadsheet to tweak the factor to 5.1, or 5.2 until I get one of the products below the new thresholds. I'm too cheap to buy at the higher price tho since I know I can get it on another farm for dramatically less. So 2nd farm goes without. This farm has the most coins. lol

IF I wanted to try for Top Players during the next Harvest Fest I would set up a spreadsheet to do similar calculations for all the crops and critters, etc. If CCs get tight I would use a smaller factor to determine which products to buy that day. If an Event causes a spike in a particular item I could use the spreadsheet to determine a substitute, etc. Our markets tend to be dynamic and one needs to "go with the flow".

EDIT:
I realized after logout that I may have sounded like I was mixing "apples and oranges", EV and BEP. To clarify... For the Baha4 calculations I used BEP because I am using those to "level" the Island and was attempting to equalize the four products. For Top Player "1000" one would use the EV listed in the barn to decide if something is a "good buy" to use for donations in events.

 

farmer_broke is currently #7 on the list.

1000 is chaoz18 with 11521000

 

If I choose to teach a Ph.D topic using Ph.D style with Finance terminology then I want RL cash to do it. Even then, assuming a thorough comprehension of Elementary Finance is a screening chore for someone else done long before I would ever meet the individual. Just because one knows it does not indicate has the ability or experience to apply it.

That style is useless here; too many different backgrounds. Success with application to the broad mass of family here is more challenging to me than fooling with some Ph.D students and candidates. I'm leaving this topic alone.

I agree spreadsheets are useful. There are a lot of people everywhere who may wish to use natural ability to apply our topics. I intentionally go flat broke to exactly -0- one to three times a week. We may differ when I say this but the ability to recover involves application of techniques which involve potions of Basic Finance knowledge which not all have. We can help though.

Here I choose to use a nontechnical common sense approach using as few computations as possible to get satisfactory results. You say your memory is lousy. I will stay with a no need for memory approach and leave spreadsheet development and use to someone else.

Family: No spreadsheet stuff with me. Calculator, pencil, maybe a sticky, and no more than scrap paper necessary to right on.

SuzzieRabbit, my strategy is to first get a single buy factor, tweak it effortlessly when obvious and do it one or two times a year at most. I agree spreadsheets allow for ease in routine calculations. But one must still know what data to collect, when to collect it, and thn enter the data into the spreadsheet. Accuracy one gets; time one looses; this is a game. IMHO that is too much here and I will not recommend it or support its use. I like your information use.

On another note, maybe an advanced thread is good to start. Not me though.

 

farmer_broke,

I cannot believe you're discussing the use or not of a spreadsheet, as if it were important at all.

Discussion here is not about how to play the mkts -that's a discussion that belongs elsewhere: your own thread, for instance-. Discussion here is about how to better prepare for next year's TopX00X along the year without crippling your farm or using BBs/RL money in the process: it for sure must involve playing the mkts mainly for buys but playing them for making CCs with which to enact those buys is a choice, not a must. CCs can be made by just producing and selling.

It's pretty simple: those who constantly trek the mkts won't need any spreadsheet, not now, not tomorrow or in 6 months: they'll spot right away the opportunities; instead, those who don't will most probably need one to get started and, along with their increased practice and skill, in some variable time in the future most probably won't need it any more. By the same token, if someone already has a zillion CCs, s/he won't need any spreadsheet, either because s/he already is deep into mkts dynamics -not necessarily- or because s/he simply doesn't care about how much s/he spends and if it's done efficiently or not.

Spreadsheet or not spreadsheet is only a choice about the means. But the very essence of what's needed is the basic understanding of how to minimize the total CCs expense while maximizing the total ExV achieved. And that's done through the CCs/ExV ratio, variable by definition, along with variations in mkt. But once a player knows this and knows the ratios of those products significant for her/him to maximize the ExV they accumulate, that's it, they don't need anything else. If that player thinks s/he needs the spreadsheet, s/he'll build it, and that's perfectly OK. (By the way, I won't build one for me, just in case you wonder).

 

@Aluntino
We both agree this is a strategy thread. Openly disclosing my strategy, as simple as it is, involves absolutely no spreadsheets at all, ever. I have already indisputably proven I have a basic strategy and that it needs no one else's condoning. In offer this method to the masses there is no prerequisite requirement to even use or even understand a spreadsheet. More power to those that do.

The strategy was openly offered with cc making included long before this event. No mention of need for spreadsheet by me there! The basics of the strategy were very poorly received. I will not discuss the strategy of efficiently gaining competitive admittance to the Top 1000 in that cc thread. Nor will I discuss cc making here. I will discuss making ccs and/or spending them in the cc thread whether broke or not. If you want to help others with spreadsheets or use them here ....... up to youuuuuuuuuuuuu! Start a thread and do it.

My strategy is so simple that a 12 year old, level 3 player, who can read, has a pencil and sheet of paper can use it very efficiently and effectively if they so choose. Not begging you or anyone else to use it or even consider my strategy. I am only disclosing it and letting it stand on its own merit.

"Once a player knows this ...." hahaha Your style not mine

Mine is now to simply disclose my strategy used to play on the playground. One may choose to use or abuse it. Could care less. Again, I will disclose the strategy in this thread where appropriate. Need ccs then come to the cc thread and with or without them I will again openly share what I know and do in this game. Justify why one would want to know? I am not the one.

Lots of good points in your post above and so very true. I like them, really. They are very powerful, and so powerful that there is a high risk of completely turning off exactly the farmers I hope will choose to involve themselves with either of us.

By the way, do you have a strategy for the Top 1000 competition you wish to share?

 

I'm sorry, but I think that you're so missing the point, farmer_broke, by insisting on trying to engage me in doing the same you do, which I respect -creating threads for deep discussions and so on-. Though I appreciate you a lot, I don't appreciate this insistence.

I've already summarized several posts back how I think a typical player may approach her/his preparation for next year's TopX00X; Mir has already measured the effort by calculating a weekly average for feasibly having a chance next year. I don't think there's any need to go any deeper than that if no one is especially interested. And no one has made any further questions, probably because afterwards discussion became strange.... No new thread needed from my point of view, then. I wouldn't have the time for it, anyway.

But let me tell you that, so far, the only things you've really truly said about your strategy -as far as preparing for next TopX00X is concerned- is, in short, that you buy stuff trying to minimize the CCs/ExV across by picking the products you concentrate on, that you go to 0 CCs twice or thrice per week (which some who are reading here may confuse as truly needed for that preparation, when it's certainly not) and that you use pencil, paper and stickers but no spreadsheets.

OK.

 

Time to go back on topic I think

By now I should have finished the event, but accidentally donated all of my crops last night (except the last 10). Sacrificed a white innocence and some super grow, and now I am growing the last sunchokes

 

We can agree we miss one another's point. My posts contain nothing that interest you. Insist you do nothing. Interpretation flawed and again I can only agree we disagree.

I'm explaining my strategy, not you. I'm! My pace! If /when I state anything and you see a flaw or an improvement which can be made then share it if you like. If it cannot stand on its own ....I'll state it politely but definitely.

Wrong place for me to discuss why -0- ccs.

Look, I go slow because the little things I use I need understood to continue. Lots of different backgrounds and languages attempt to follow us. You left one thing: ...................read! As challenging as you have made it, you are now in a position to understand more. Only if you choose ...

Another part for everyone: I assumed nothing about any other competitor. I give potential competitors full credit for everything to do with the game until they prove themselves otherwise.

When I feel many are together on what I need to go further ... I will and not until.

Fully comprehend?

@-Mir85-

I did exactly the same thing ... exactly.

Yes, back on topic. Yes, I'm guilty. RL pulling work too. Thanks

RL families have heated discussions too. On the bright side, we can do this and maintain respect for one another. Thanks again!

 

Lol Mir Almost There But Finally Get there.....

Broke I am really Proud of you i am amazed that you are currently in 9th Place with donation of half a Billion in Exchange Values...WOW It good for you as you really know the Exchange Values on Every Thing but Artisan Crafts, Products, Animal Feeds and Tools was Exempt from Top 1000....

For Those of you who need Spreadsheets to see all of the Facts and Figures, to Decide which to buy in the markets to stock up for next next festival....It is quiet time consuming to Make and Manage as many of you have things to do in real life....or only have time to buy from the markets or just enough time to sell things into the Markets.

I have been Hoarding Crops and Fruits for couple of years now but I play it sensible compared to Broke....But for those who want to complete for next year festival is to buy JUST FRUITS from the Markets especially those that are not needed for Quests or Make Animal Feeds....such as Maple. Almonds, Olives, Pine Cones or Angel Trumpets

Island Fruit Trees has Twice The Exchange Vales to Farm Fruits Trees such as

• Mate Exchange Value = 340.........Maple Exchange Value = 170
• Persimmon Exchange Value = 320.........Almond Exchange Value = 160
  
• Jocote Exchange Value = 300.........Olive Exchange Value = 170

You have to compare the Market Prices in terms of Exchange Value so that you are able to get the most Exchange Value for CC Spent

I would not donate Breeding Animals to Top 1000 nor would donate Animals....Breeding Animals can make excellent CC when sold in the markets....All proceeds should be used to stock up on Fruits for Festival Quest

Animals do not have Great Exchange Value at all....EG Two Mate Fruits has Exchange Value of 680 which is worth more than 1 Camel which can be brought for under 100 CC in normal Markets. Camels can be sold for over 2500 CC

Therefore what i have been doing is selling many Animals as i can for good cc, Buy up any cheap fruits I find....

I will enter the Top 1000 Thursday or Friday Early Morning, it going to be at Least 100 Million Exchange Value I have Several 100's Millions Barn Stock in Reserve As I keep buying Fruits from the Markets until the Donations into Top 1000 starts to slow down I will not Drain my barn stocks as i keep forever ending building up my farm

 

Yesterday afternoon, after I have finished the 7 steps of the event, there was around 500 players in the list, at the bottom there were many who donated only 1cc, so I thought easy, and started donating tree fruits, when I was done there was around 700 players in the list and no more 1cc or even 100,000 cc things were heating up, and I managed to donate up to 2,500,000 of tree fruits and Bahama trees, then the net hanged, so I logged again and was surprised to see that I was no. 872 in the list, it was a shock, so I got heated up and started to donate breading animals and when I reached 3,500,000 I found my self at no. 982, so I got pissed and decided to reach a safe place in the list and that was stupid of me, I reached 7,017,750 and I checked and found my name at no. 778 so I cooled down and logged off and after just 2 hours I logged and checked again to get a big hit on the head, I was out of the list, so I stopped and started to think, today when I checked I found that to get back on the list I have to donate up to 19,000,000 and the figures are still running up like crazy, the conclusion: I am a level 90 player and have been playing for 3 years or more, I have breading animals worth of around 15,000,000 cc, and I did not buy yet anything from the market and have over 16,000,000 cc and still have a lot of tree fruits and crops but I think that would not accumulate to more than 2,000,000, I don't think I have the heart to throw it all to be kicked again and loose all, I really like the challenge, and I want at least once to achieve something, so at the moment I decided to observe now, and started doing animal breading and I started to remove the plots and use my stock trees until the last few hours because crops and animals at this stage can do nothing, then I will check the list to see if it is safe to throw all or not, does anyone agrees, I am open for advice and suggestions.
Good luck and Happy farming.

 

All I can say is there is more than one way to "win" this event... I am building up my bank account selling things!

I wish I could get those party tickets and powerfeed, but since I can only donate regular and Baha crops, not trees or anything else to get the 50K...... just not worth it.

Best of luck to those who are trying!

 

Hi abudadi66 sorry you got knocked out top 1000 as it was brave of you to donate into too 1000 but I have to say that you have underestimated how many million of barn stock values required to stay in top 1000 until the event end to win the lovely rewards last year the 500th place have donated 175 million worth of stock it going to be at least 100 million or more to be in top 1000 so my advice if you are unable to do this without draining you whole barn then just pull out and learn your lesson for next year need to spend more time in the markets stocking up on fruits ok

 

50k EV is just 443 roses... Do you really think it is not worth growing 450 roses and 300 sunchokes for 40 power feed and 6 party spins?

 

I guess I will have to re-evaluate.

 

I have my last round of event crops almost ready to harvest in a few.
Then I will be done with Level 7 and my participation in the event.

After I logged out I realized I need to clarify something in my last post. I will go back and edit it just in case some are still confused about me mixing "apples and oranges".

As an example of my lousy memory... Every time I go to buy the Baha4, I have to reference my Notepad file because I do not retain that info. It's easier for me to remember the equation or where I saw it than than results. The more items added to the game the more confused I'm getting. Old age and chemo don't help.
I've never tried to educate myself in advanced Marketing. The math I use is simple arithmetic. Not my forte so I use a calculator. I am quite good at algebra and patterns, not arithmetic. The strategy might be confusing for some, esp the math challenged. The average preteen can use my Marketing strategy. Spreadsheets are good for people prone to arithmetic errors. They are some work to set up, but then they can be added to, edited, searched, printed... if desired. Or one can keep a simple notebook like Aluntino. For my game style, time, etc., I'm happy with my, easily searched, Notepad files.

Woody, are you saying you aren't even going to do Level 1?! I don't know your resources but almost everyone can benefit from doing it. And selling!