High EV Strategy/Harvest Hoedown

Sebe96, Firstly do not bother stocking up on Tools, it very time consuming as it is based mostly reaping your farm fields. It is not included in Hoedown donations. As for Products do not bother to stock up on pheromones they always excluded from Product donations Listing.

The best EV Products is Parrot Feathers. If you have them Grow them all the time if you can

Slick, To determine amounts needed for donations equates huge stock of High EV Fruits, High EV Products, plus lots of Breeding Animals, you have to accept those Big players eg Top 10 Spend Big Money buying loads of BB and Power Feeds. Plus serious hoarding with all the CC from Markets sales as I am on my way to making my 4th BBillion CC Milestone but it is slowing down due to inflated market prices Bargains is like gold dust these days This is perspective where this game as it stands

 

Tree of Wisdom - at the top of the tree above Living Legend to buy more crops

and AH is Auction House

 

With the latest upgrade to the Tree of wisdom, you can ugrade for Stars that you can purchase up to 300 seeds in the seed shop, I think that is one of the best investments yet!! Or was for me anyways.

I buy/grow lots of parrot feathers & chopsticks for products on baha side. Parrot feathers seem to have a good CC to EV ratio so I buy alot and I also have some parrot feather trees, and I have alot of Orange Chopstick factories to fill my manufactories, and they have a 3000 EV. I have almost 2500 chopsticks and am working towards 10,000 parrot feathers, so far I have around 8500.

My money makes right now seem to be
in Animals
Lions
Octopus
Penguin
Stag Beetle
Bison
Groundhog
Falcon
Robin
Salamander
Lynx

Products
Rakes
Quills

Trees
Ahueheuete
Elm
Jackfruit
Judas
Mag Beech
Pecan
Pitanga

Barely holding on to money making status
Sweetgum
Yangmei
Yew

Feed
Various - havnt been keeping up lately

Crops - hardly sell crops anymore

Other Money makers - I always keep an eye on events and see what happens with them, like right now, with the breeding event going on, I will keep an eye on those animals required for that and see if those animals go sky - if so I will sell what I have, all those animals usually run well under 10,000 CC, but if they go really High, then I will sell.

EVENT PRICES

Ok in my market, the going prices are going up up up

chickens - sold out -- last known price for me was 3400
donkeys - sold out -- last known price for me was 12807
cows - 16800 -- last known price for me was 8144
rabbits - 15097 -- last known price for me was 10000
sheep - 20500 -- last known price for me was 10000

Thanks farmer_broke, I will have to stock up on those animals as well then too, as most of my "money makers" I dont have much stock of them, but most all others I have at least 500, unless its a breeding animal, then I try to have at least 1000 of them. I try to reach my goals, then just increase my goals, unless for some reason a paticular animal goes crazy in the market, like beavers did a little while ago they were selling like crazy in my market, so I am working on restocking them. I try to keep all my items stocked so if an event comes I always have all items no matter what they may ask for, plus extras to sell if they go crazy in market. Im thinking I may skip this breeding cloud row, and just hoard my animals, I will have to take another look at the cloud row and prizes though as I know I dont have much breeding animals in my barn as I have not been hoarding them.

I use spreadsheets, not sure if I use them the way others do, I keep all kind of records LOL, my family is always asking me what are those LOL, I just say my notes. Im currently working on my EV growing times, so I know what animals/products I can grow to get the most EV out of my time, and divide my fields up with those items that i can make the most CCs with. I used to just grow, grow, grow with no thought put into it.

This post has nothing to do with CCs, just growing time and EV, to get the most EV from growing time, I have figured out the following is the best.

I came up with this by taking the EV and dividing the growing time to come up with EV per hour.
For example Octopus pen take 5 hours to grow, and Octopus has 2625 EV - so 2625 divided by 5 = 525

also if its orange, pink, neon you would times you result by how many animals that pen produces.

I didnt deduct off for manure or water, just used the basic growing time to come up with the figures so I would know what would be the best, I also used the colored pens I had on my farm, so these figures might not be what is best for your farms. So if you dont have the colored pens I do, You can figure out accordingly.

I will list the top 5 in the catagories

Baha Animals
Octopus = 525 EV per hour
Orange Seal = 343.83
Orange Dolphines = 318.47
Pink Elephants = 234.24
Neon Monkey = 201.48

Mainland Animals
Red Cuckoo = 176
Red Yak = 174.93
Orange Lynx = 143.54
Snail = 116
Neon Cat = 110.77

Baha Products
Tiki Totem = 312
Fangbrush = 231
Red Pottery = 212.44
Orange Peanut Butter = 154.58
Orange Flying Carpet = 152.41

Mainland Products
Red Solar Panels = 268.93
Orange Moustache = 262.66
Yellow Paw Pops = 229.33
Skateboard = 113.44
Orange Hand Fan = 89.5

I didnt have calculations for scented candle or quill pens, so you may want to check those out.

You bring valid questions and things I have not even considered, and that is why I started this post, so we all could put in our opinions and suggestions. Thanks, I never even thought to figure in my feed. I am trying to figure out how to best stock my barn - I go for two ways, 1 is for CC income, and 2 is for EV. I will have to go back to figuring out a new way. I knew my method had to be way too easy. I do try to grow all my own feed items, some items I do find myself buying, but very little, mostly some tree fruit. I have not figured out how to get spreadsheets to do my calculations for me, and guess that is another reason I havnt gotten more specific. I will have to do some research and see if I can figure out spreadsheets more.

I am working on my spread sheets LOL, I just found a way to get it to figure out my EV per CC ratio for me based on what the item is up for sale in the market, I know its just a simple calculation, but I already put in the price of what the items are for sale in my spreadsheet, now it automatically gives me the current EV, so now I will know right away whether to buy the item without dragging out the calculator. -- Now I have more work, as you said I need to figure out my feeds, etc, things I never even thought of. I definately can see what you mean by the chicken feed. Myself have never even thought of feed as EV, really never gave it much thought at all LOL, but it is a cost and a necessity and I need to consider its role in my farm. And who knew if you only put the minus symbol in front of the numbers it would automatically deduct those numbers LOL, well i didnt, learn something new everyday as the old saying goes. I did manage to pick up a few stables that I was short of during this gift and trade, so that is also a good thing, and I did alot of breeding, as my stocks were almost none, and I didnt sell any - LOL, But as I said before, I change my ways of doing things all the time, and I always used my left over breeding animals as an income for CCs after each breeding event, and I have a feeling I feel that loss during the hoedown, and will only place in the top 1000 and not in the top 100 because of it, but we all got to have goals and reasons for playing this game, mine used to be to reach level 100, and well I have hit that goal, so I set another, and that is to place in the hoedown. Now I must place out some of my Neon stables to bring my breeding animals stocks back up. I like to keep a minimum of 1000 and I fell short on a few of them this time, but will get them back up, I have over 1000 Anacondas which is rumored to be the next animals needed, so I only have a couple of those out so I have room for the other stables I need to bring back up to 1000 which is only a few anyways and alot I have way more.

Hope everyone is having a great weekend. Happy Farming.

Thanks fishy_broke for all your suggestions and giving me the right idea about looking further into spreadsheets, I have been using them for awhile, just not using them to their full potential, but I am trying to learn more about them.

My next question, is the International List, I have looked this information over that someone posted, but it totally confused me. Does that mean you can actually join another market? Leave the one your on? Like Im in market 39, and if so, what is the advantage of doing so? someone posted some links, one how to figure out what market your on, which I know Im on market 39, and one you can see who is else is listed on some of the markets, and then there is a post in another language, so I had my browser translate it, but it was still confusing, something about market watchers, fire brigade, and an International Market. Does anyone have any helpful information on this subject?

Yes it all seems very confusing, and I see no reason to try to sell on another market unless things sell much higher. I have multiple farms, and they all even out, where as one thing sells higher, other things sells lower.

Feed -- I used to sell feed a lot of, then cut back as I seemed to make more CCs of of animals, the last few days, I have put up some feed for sale, and I could not believe how much the prices have increased, or least in my market, not sure if it has anything to do with the events or what, but almost all feed prices had doubled or tripled over the past month, the highest selling feed used to be Anaconda, but I am see alot of others selling just as high, so this is something else to add to my lists of things to keep an eye out on, so much to do LOL. I could use about 3 more fields to grow more stuff LOL, but that would make things too easy I guess and take the fun out of the game. But the feed does get hard to keep up with, since new animals are added monthly, and the events are becoming much more demanding, I used to be able to finish the events with days left until news ones began, but now I am finding myself finishing the day before them ending now.

LOL, I had no idea, that was breaking rules. I was trying to keep different subjects in different posts. Thanks for letting me know that I was breaking the rules.

So I have updated my spreadsheets as I said earlier, to update automatically with the current CC/EV ratio when I put in the current Market price.

So now I want to work on the EV and pricing or tracking of feed, does anyone have any suggestions. How do you keep track of it, both ways (CC cost & EV cost?) I guess what Im asking is what is the next step to deeper EV tracking should I be doing? Or guess maybe what type of spreadsheets do you use? I have multiple and Im sure you might find some of mine useless, and might find some of yours useless, but we might find some of each others ideas very useful.

I keep a main one, - On this one is not really a spreadsheet, it is just a information sheet. On this page I keep dates and times of Events starting times/ending times. Just a quick section on my inventory on BB,GB,FC,SG,SSG,MULCH, etc. Another section, I have a spot with times to harvest each field. Another section for checkmarks for daily items like, sending out daily gifts, buying seeds from seed shop etc. And just a section for general notes.

Then I use spreadsheets for Inventory, I try to update this once a day. On these I keep up with my stock on hand, EV Ratio, market price, number of pens I have out on my fields, I also keep track if I have of the items up for sale at the market. I do an inventory for different catagories - Animals, Products, Trees, Artisan Items, Crops.

I also use one just with check boxes, just to keep up with who I send daily gifts to and who sends me gifts - so I know when its time to remove friends and find new ones.

I also have spreadsheets for pen and tree inventory. I use this mainly when it comes time for the train, or gift and trade time, so I know how many I have and not to give/trade too many of an item.

I have one with feed recipes - this is one I know I need to do some work with, just not quite sure where to go. I know I need to get EV involved here. But it gets confusing I know because you got time to grow the items needed, plus the time make. So Im not sure how deep everyone goes here, or even where to go. I mainly started this to make sure the going rate in CCs was enough to make a profit for items I was buying at the time I started the spreadsheet, but since then, its not been updated so it is basically useless, but still has the basics to get started.

I also have one to just track feed sales, one to track breeding animals sales, One with just artisan info at a glance and a few others.

I use alot of these daily, and some are very outdated and need to be updated.

So you can see I have way too much time on my hands LOL, and take my farming seriously LOL

Based on the above info, I should be able to place in the top 1000, and depending on how much I can grow over the next few months maybe top 100, but I really doubt it. I would really like to place in the top 100, but dont think Im willing to wait a whole year to compete again, so I may roll the dice and see how it goes this year and see how I place. I know the rewards arent worth it, but I guess its just the bragging rights, but it is my game "goal" right now to see how high up I can place. I really havnt been trying to stock up for the event but a few months, the rest of my stocking up was just my personal goals

Im not in a rush, and I know this game gets time consuming and real life gets in the way as well. I know there are huge farms out there, ones that make me look like tiny dot LOL, but yet then again my farm is huge compared to some. Im really working on the EV values now, and as you mentioned above, am finding out that the tree fruit is the best value for purchasing, so just for now, while im researching I am concentrating on buying my tree fruits that are under 1.75 EV/CC ratio. Buying my 300 seeds from seed shop daily, and growing animals/products that I have figured out to be the best value (still working on that) and still have to figure out the feed - currently working on that inbetween harvestings and updating my spreadsheets with all my other ideas, I have accomplished alot thanks to all the help and ideas from this post. I hope others that are not posting are gaining some knowledge and ideas as well. I know I was following the other one, but was not posting and I think others do the same.

Sorry I had that backwards, that is what I meant.

There is no more efficient way than what I have explained. This same type logic flows all the way through to the final donation. (For instance, the farmer_broke farm has 1 million peaches with EV of 130. So that is 130 million. The farm would donate -0- and the reason is due to the acquisition ratio or price paid for an EV unit or expected future price. The farm would be over paying in donation. As easy as this is to see, many do not get it and tear their farm up and it hurts.)​

I understand as well about the Peaches, Peaches have a high CC value.


Feed doesnt concern me as a donation(I also have never seen it asked for as a donation), but as as I need to figure it out as a cost, and how to figure it in, for example Seals have an EV of 4487. But I need to figure out, growing time, cost of the feed, etc to really dig deep -- I may just be trying to dig too deep. Is it cheaper to buy feed, or make the feed, etc. Maybe I just have too much time on my hands LOL, I like to figure things out. I guess what Im saying is to say an EV of animals is XX is really not true LOL when you either have to buy that animal or grow it LOL - my brain working overtime I guess. Like you saying about your peaches, they have EV of 130, but they are worth way more as CC value to you. I have many items that the EV is nothing to me, but the CC value means more to me. I also have some items that the EV nor the CC means nothing really to me, its just a means to me for something else, like some ingredients for feed, im gonna grow or buy no matter what, Im gonna get that item, I will choose which ever I think best fits my farm but I will get it, if that makes sense(now there are only a few of these).

I dont really go crazy with PF to grow animals unless i get the bonus on the wheel, which either BP has gotten tight with, or because they control by your barn stock and doesnt reward me with much anymore, I rarely get anymore, But I used to get quite often, I dont seem to get anymore. And I dont use SG much except to boost for events. SSG I use alot on trees though. -- Now with the new improved SSG I may really rethink using this alot more if they dont increase the price. But we all know BP doesnt give us much for free these days, so I look for either a price increase or more requirements for trees for FSQs.

Another thing I really need to check into is buffs and artisan items and see if they are that useful, I use CAC, Val pot, Cheeseballs, almost all the time, and then use the terror bouquet during MM and sometimes white innocense during the first part of events. I also just auto collect my cloud rows, but I think if I do these differently I would do better, but I have never found the time to really check these out and see if it is beneficial to collect the cloud rows individually and switch up the buffs as I read how others do. I do have the carnations refined where I can get those to where I can combine a bunch of stuff and get those fast when Im in a crunch for drops though.

 

Thank you both
I got the rune but because of lack of starts I can now buy up to 250 seeds.

AH means Auction House but what AH price refer to? Where do we make "auctions"?

 

Crafting Trade Product (Artisan Village Product)	Value	suggestedMarketValue_server.market	Actual Market Offer (lowest_highest_server.market)
Apple jam	1510	1510_5.14	900_2642,50_5.14
Christmas cookie	5140	3445,02_5.14	3200_7842,71_5.14
Crypt Vase	-	6450_5.14	2944,19_11287,50_5.14
Gingerbread	5140	6465_5.14_ 5140_8.15_	3000,00_11313,75_5.14_ 3983,33_06265,00_8.15_
Marzipan	5140	5140_5.14	4600_7181,41_5.14
Pink jelly	3910	3910_5.14	1190_6842,50_5.14
Pretzel	5140	1420_5.14	1389_2485_5.14
Pumpkin pastry	9095	4445_5.14	1942,97_7778,75_5.14
Rhubarb jam	1210	1210_5.14	986,92_2117,50_5.14
Sourdough cake	5140	974,10_5.14	1008,57_1839,97_5.14
Summer Bouquet	12080	12080_5.14	9670,55_21140_5.14
Vanilla crescents	5140	3645_5.14	2094,96_6378,75_5.14
White innocence	27930	27930_5.14	13950,06_48877,50_5.14
Winter jam	5140	5140_5.14	1848,82_8995_5.14
Winter wreath	-	32480_5.14	29843,23_57970_5.14
Chocolate shake	24495	24495_5.14	4495_42866,25_5.14

Lists of products (the 'Suggested Market Value' is sometimes located at “Value”):
Florist: « www.bigpoint.com/farmerama/board/index.php?threads/faq-become-a-florist.2398/#post-7163 »;
Baker: « www.bigpoint.com/farmerama/board/index.php?threads/faq-become-a-baker.2396/#post-7147 »;
Confectioner: « www.bigpoint.com/farmerama/board/index.php?threads/faq-become-a-confectioner.2397/#post-7155 »;
Spa Manager: « www.bigpoint.com/farmerama/board/index.php?threads/faq-become-a-spa-manager.2399/#post-7172 »;
Alchemist: « www.bigpoint.com/farmerama/board/index.php?threads/become-an-alchemist.23608/#post-128333 ».
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Edit.

To know more about the Value of Apple Jam on the english language Farmerama Bigpoint forum,
we can take a look at « Value » on the « Full list of Confectionery products »; Apple Jam Value is 1510.

To know more about the Suggested Market Value of Apple Jam on Farmerama,
we can take a look at: FARMERS’ MARKET, Make offer, Crafting trade; Suggested Market Value of Apple Jam on server 5 alias market 14 is never below 1510 (1510_5.14).

Value and Suggested Market Value of Apple Jam have the same value or are equal values.

Since I acquire Gingerbread, the Suggested Market Value of Gingerbread on server 5 (international Farmerama market 14) is never below 6465.

Actually, the lowest prize for Gingerbread is 3000; the highest prize for Gingerbread is 11313,75. Both prize limits are available on server 5 alias international Farmerama market number 14.

The table states now: « the 'Suggested Market Value' is sometimes located at “Value” » (initially, the « table under edit » shows « rarely », but I adopted « sometimes » as a finality, because 6 of the 16 listed products show a different Suggested Market Value and 2 of 16 set a Suggested Market Value without Value; 50% of the above listed Values have the same value as the Suggested Market Value).

I mention « Value » as used on the « Full list of Florist products », the « Full list of Bakery products », the « Full list of Confectionery products », the « Full list of Spa products » and the « Full list of Alchemist products ».

I do not use « suggested value or suggested market value ».

I use suggested Value and Suggested Market Value.
Because, the Value or suggested Value is not absolutely the same as the ‘never below the prize’ associated to the Suggested Market Value.

As examples:

1. The Value of Apple jam is the same value belonging to the value of the Suggested Market Value.
2. Crypt Vase does not suggest a Value; since I purchase Crypt Vase, the Suggested Market Value of Crypt Vase is never below 6450.
3. The Value of Christmas cookie is higher than the ever never below Suggested Market Value of 3445,02 (other notes than my own ones probably know about a lower Suggested Market Value).
4. The Value of Sourdough cake is higher than the ever never below Suggested Market Value of 974,10.

Examples refer to server 5, alias international Farmerama market 14 recognitions.

Your recognitions are added to the list.

 

I do not know if you understand.
This is what I do know:

• The game suggested "value" of apple jam is 1,510 (use of word "value" in the game faqs chart is very bad and confuses many)
• The 1,510 has not changed.
• The 1,510 is not the ev.
• Apple jam has no ev.
• The 1,510 has always appeared to this moment as the sliding index price we see when we wish to list apple jam for sale.
• That index price some will refer to as the suggested market value. (and the confusion continues as to understand why 1,510)
• The 1,510 was set by the game team initially and we have always seen it.
• Why do we see it? Because that sliding index price is not active at this time.
• Why is it not active? Because there are not enough farmers buying apple jam above the price of 1,510 which is needed to make the index active.
• If and when players begin to buy apple jam above the price of 1,510 , the sliding index will become active and change.
• Even when that sliding index price becomes greater than 1,510 , the "value" will remain the same in the tables for all to see.
• What will make the sliding index price change from 1,510? A demand and purchase of apple jam above 1,510 IF that demand begins to affect the supply of apple jam (This is a part of the basic economic principle often referred to as The Law of Supply and Demand.)

The sliding index price (some to refer to as the suggested market price) was initially set at 60.
60 is also the exchange value.
Many farmers felt that the price of apples would never go beyond 60.
Many simply would list at the price of 60 (This price of 60 was the sliding index price some refer to as the suggested market price.)
And for years the apple listings at that price of 60 and above were returned to barns. (Of course, a very few offers would sell. The reasons were error and quantity alone.)
The same pattern is occurring with apple jam.
Can you force the 1,510 sliding index price for apple jam to change today.

• Yes you may.
• What must you do? Buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and buy and ....... And when you stop buying and others stop buying apple jam above the price of 1,510 then the sliding index price of 1,510 (which some refer to as the suggest market price) will return for those in your market to see again. (your ccs ... up to you........)

And the exact same thing goes for pink jelly (which has no ev).

The same exact pattern occurred with the egg (ev is 300).

same with plum, pear, orange, ....... lettuce .....​

 

Are Barn Value and Table Value the same?

To know the Table Value: « www.bigpoint.com/farmerama/board/index.php?threads/faq-artisans-village-products.2402 ».

Barn Trade Product	Barn Value (BV)	Table Value (TV)	BV = TV
Boutonniere	360	-	?
Flower pot	1950	-	?
Bouquet	5080	-	?
Flower arrangement	coming soon	8630	?
Flower wreath	coming soon	-	?

The « elRe1 » initiative is a binded work where a ‘Post-it®’ figures a lack. A lack can be: a) zero in the barn; b) never on the market; c) tendency scan underdeveloped; d) coming soon. The « elRe1 » initiative is guided by a Daily Checkup Line. The « elRe1 » Daily Checkup Line indications are: 1) Daily Gifts; 2) Farm Wheel; 3) Mill; 4) Seed Shop; 5) Neighbour Gifts; 6) Farmers’ Market; 7) Forums; 8 ) other; 9) Repeat 6) and 7) as less as possible. Sometimes, the « elRe1 » Daily Checkup Line shows a note. Actually, the « elRe1 » Daily Checkup Line notes are related to the newly acquired perception about investment.
Investment is not the same as expense: pay a 10% Farmers Market Fee is an investment if the offer is associated to a revenue; place an article to validate an exploit is an investment; sell a Christmas cookie to a lower prize in order to scrutinize the Inactive Sliding Index (ISI) is an expense; buy an article to calibrate the barn (get minimum one of each article), is often an expense; buy an article to ‘borderpoint’ market tendency is generally an expense; buy an article knowing about relatives value {1.guineaPigFeed_=_6.carrot_+_7.hop_+_8.cucumber_&_108_=_[189=(6x3=18_+_7x12=84_+_8x12=96)]_or.yesterday_1274,36_=_4004,38_or.today_1209,84_=_3342.28_&_spendLess_=_economizeMore_}, is an economy.

 

You guys are way advanced than me LOL, Im not quite there yet. I keep digging and going deeper but you guys loose me with all your terminology, I keep adding more and more calculations to my spreadsheets, and here I thought I was a dedicated LOL - just goes to show this game can be casual or complicated, however you wish to play it. I look at it as a big puzzle. I keep breaking it down as much as possible as time permits. Each time I break it down and put it back it together it has many more pieces. I guess that is why I am so addicted, so many ways to play, so many angles. I sold alot of chayote and anacondas for many CCs over the last 24 hours. I was stocking up on the Anacondas for the next breeding event, now I have more pens out, I had put them away as I had over 2000, now I sold alot I have to restock them. I know I dont have stocks like farmer_broke, but that was alot to me LOL.

I understand, the crafting part is way too confusing, and was like the developers didnt complete their end, before going live with everything, not assigned EV to all items and parts and not making all items sellable. I found all this odd early on, but just kind of went with the flow. I buy and sell what I am allowed to do so, and just moan and groan to myself LOL whether it makes sense or not. Just like they have all types of "money" BBs, CCs, Farm Coins, just keeps things interesting I guess. Im trying to keep a little of everything in preparing for the hoedown, just my luck though, we wont have one for 2018 since I want to try to compete. I would like to make it in the top 500 if at all possible, but seems like I should wait another year, but Im just too impatient to do so.

 

Have you calculated the total EV of everything in your barn that you would be willing to part with?

 

The crafting part is not so confusing.
No EV's have been assigned to craft items as they have no meaning.
Exchange values are only assigned to items that may be handed in one way or another.

@what -Mir85- is asking is the basic essence of the hoedown.
It doesn't matter what your farm EV value is.
What is important is the exchange value of the items you are willing to hand in.

One simple list with quantities and EV sum is enough.

 

Your statement really describes what happens when entering discussion in the EV area. In the beginning many are lost and just maybe will return. As the discussion matures, some wish to take the same discussion used in the EV area with crops, animals, tree fruit, breeding animals, animal feed and products .... and bring that same ev discussion into the craft area. This simply cannot be done and for one very obvious reason: What can be sold has no EV. (This confusion seems to begin for many when first trying to find items which can be sold.)

Please allow me to create a bigger mess. If we look in our barn under the category "other" we will find items listed which have no ev and no suggested market value in game faqs. We will find the craft items on a shelf in the Pantry but no list in our barns. Confused yet? Let's really get confused. If we look in our barn under "trade products" we will find the base craft products which have an EV which cannot be sold. And this is not all.

In the deleted posts there was a question asked: DO YOU UNDERSTAND? There was no reason to attempt to make another feel bad or belittle anyone's intelligence. None. If one cannot get a grasp of the basic terminology then there is no reason to continue because we would be going nowhere.

I do understand somewhat how you are attempting to break down the game and are finding fun and all sorts of challenges in what you are seeing while working with your spreadsheets. I ventured down the same path. At some point I entered into the craft product area. I even thought it would be as the other item were. I know now how very elementary my thought was and even very foolish. Why? There are very few EVs. and suggested market value and ..........

The push for all items being listed on a spreadsheet was not without thought or doing it just for fun. Many facets of the game one cannot immediately understand. As one progresses though, one becomes more comfortable and adds something else. Then the whole process begins again and is very slow because one has not gathered the market data as with other items of their immediate concern.

I know you collect certain the market prices of items. Why not collect them all if intending to go further? When one begins, that collection of the market prices for all craft products is ALL one is able to do anyway. Later, one will have good information instead of beginning all over again in the area. The terminology gets confusing and in order to analyze one must begin to make assumptions which previously had not been necessary. (Adding to this: Even with assumptions made, one must consistently apply those assumptions or any analysis of time periods becomes flawed.)

Several members of the game development have all this data. And for each market of concern. And all this market data converges into the game-wide data. (I doubt seriously whether BP will release data. And they have the data and that data is routinely collectible. And they have no choice but to use that data in controlling the game. We may have good data, yes, but we are only scratching the surface I assure you. lol Many player problems really appear to me as a basic lack of understanding the terminology.)

Hello elRe. I often will use the table you have cited.

The answer: Most have no game published "barn value" (which is the same term used "for exchange value"). We will not find most craft products listed in our barn. Several you will find with a "barn value" cannot be sold (example: basic jelly).

The table you present is below. I cannot say that the "barn value" for the boutonniere or flower pot or bouquet is the same as the "table value." (no problem with understanding what you present: What you regard as the "table value" is what is presented in the table listed in the game faqs.) We cannot say BV=TV for the first three items in your table because there is no TV.)

We are not able to find a BV for the flower arrangement or the flower wreath. There is none. The 8,630 you show as the TV for the flower arrangement I agree with. I have been told by a game moderator when asking that that what you are calling the TV is the suggest market value.

The boutonniere, flower pot and bouquet are all basic craft products that cannot be sold and must be used to make other craft products which do not have a barn value.

elRe, now for a real mess. While the base trade products discussed so far cannot be sold and do not have a TV,.........

the messy part --------------> The flower arrangement is a base craft product which cannot be sold just as the others you list before it. BUT and the mess: The Floral arrangement (which you term flower arrangement) is a base product which must be used to make other products but DOES have a TV.

I need help from you to answer correctly: This farm is not a level 4 florist and cannot make the flower arrangement.

Before I say anything else about it: Are you able to see the the floral arrangement listed in your barn?

Barn Trade Product	Barn Value (BV)	Table Value (TV)	BV = TV
Boutonniere	360	-	?
Flower pot	1950	-	?
Bouquet	5080	-	?
Flower arrangement	coming soon	8630	?
Flower wreath	coming soon	-	?

You provide the following chart:

Market Trade Product	Table Value	Inactive Sliding Index	marketValue_marketReference
Apple jam	1510	1510	2695,35_AO.03.05,14
Christmas cookie	5140	3445	7842,71_AO.03.05,14

I agree with the Table Value for both items. I do not agree with the 3,445 for Christmas cookie you refer to as "Inactive Sliding Index"

and I do not understand what you are presenting as the marketValue. I have no idea where the numbers 2695.35 or 7842.71 come from. Are these the highest prices you can see on your market or the lowest prices you can see?

(We are far beyond any exchange value strategy now. I fear we have lost most everyone with our discussion.)

LOL I can remember when having 1,000 anaconda was a whole lot to me. (Anaconda now 53,280, anaconda feed 13,499.) We both began with -0- . This farm has sold maybe 40 anaconda. The feed is 4 chickens and 2 rabbits. The farm just sold a single lot of 2,500 chickens. Chicken availability does not appear to me as the real problem or anaconda availability thus far. The problem appears to be the immediate lack of a substantial rabbit supply for use in milling feed. This farm now has exactly -0- rabbits. (and a breeding event is scheduled soon)

I like how you appear to be using your spreadsheet. A review of the anaconda chain will take one back to wheat, carrots and hay. And if we choose not to stop there then we will go directly to the craft area. lol

 

Yes I will try to get the stars I don't need many more, I have 196 but I don't find to participate in an event these days. Maybe I should check to find an easy permanent quest.
Do you buy all seeds? Farm and Baha ones?

 

I think I am almost there, I have spreadsheets now for all catagories (I think), just finished one for tools, I think I have everything covered now. I have to figure out now what I will need to keep as my "base" inventory to get me started for afterwards, or at least how many CCs to have in the bank, so I can continue on like I do now, where events pop up and I have no issue with stock, just like this past one, I had everything in stock, plus some to sell. I probably have about 300 million barn value in stock so far, and I think it was said before I need about 500, so I may not make it.

 

No, « elRe1 » is actually a producing Artisan Florist Level 3.

I know: to see the Floral arrangement and complete the Table as soon as possible, I can now choose to use 600 Wedding boutonnieres, 240 Wedding flower pots, 120 Wedding bouquets or 67 Wedding arrangements.

But I decide to continue the production.

And, if nobody knows the Floral arrangement Barn Value, I come back in twelve months to reveal recognition.

I maintain: 3445 is the Inactive Sliding Index for Christmas cookie on at least one Farmers Market. This means, that the Christmas cookie Table Value is not the same as the Inactive Sliding Index.

Peoples say, that Farmerama users are scattered on 32 different market places.
The lowest prize is not a reference to determine the Global Market Value of one market place because the idle sliding index prize of one article is the same to all markets. This makes the Suggested Market Value of an article be known as soon as participants unlock the Market fairy Rune at the Tree of Wisdom and place the slide curser to the maximum.

What makes prosper the market productivity. Do Farmerama participants like to sell at a lower prize knowing that the Top 10 Country Coin Farmer of a low prized market has to beat the Top 10 Farmer of a high prized market?

What is the best Market Standard to manage challenges?

Top Exchange Value winners can compare their ‘Ratio’ defined as the Acquisition Prize divided by the Barn Value: it says nothing, because peoples mean, that a high prized market balance everybodies potential on the same market.

The lowest prize I can see at all articles is 0,10.
The numbers 2695,35 and 7842,71 come from a market where no higher prize be registered. The numbers 2695,35 and 7842,71 are the known Market Value for Apple jam and Christmas cookie on market AO.03.05,14. If another market own a higher Market Value for Apple jam and Christmas cookie, perhaps, other articles own a higher Market Value too and the Top 10 Country Coin holder has more facilities to maintain the status.

The Market Standard Table shows the reference of each market place and the associated ever best Market Value of an article.

 

Final thoughts and comments regarding anything to do with craft products in this thread:

We shall think what we choose. If not so confusing, why don't we see any threads in the forums discussing "the craft part" in detail?
I am trying to follow your statement: No EV's have been assigned to craft items as they have no meaning. <----- you say
I say -----> Agree only no EV have been assigned. No meaning? (Maybe not to you! There is no reference to such a statement as you make in the game faqs.) Yet the base craft products DO have an assigned EV. Logic flaw and I accept your statement as opinion.
EV only assigned to item ......only assign to item which may that be handled. <----- you say
I say -----> Definitely not true. Logic flaw again. The finished craft item can be handled (i.e. sell/sold). This farm has well over 2 billion ccs in crafts using the low current market price. And you wish to defend that the crafts cannot be handled? No chance to successfully defend the statement except with maybe a novice. I wish you well in trying.

A misunderstanding in terminology appears to be present.

• Yes, there is a sliding index.
• That sliding index may be active or inactive
• Some are always active
• Some do become inactive after being very very active (the manure sliding price index is an excellent example)
• The sliding index for apple jam has been and is today, inactive
• The sliding index for apple jam today is fixed at 1,510 as you posted
• Today you will find no offers for the sale of apple jam any greater than 2,642.50 (1,510 X 1.75)
• If by chance one finds any listing above 2,642.50 then the sliding index price posted of 1,510 became active and was not active enough to remain greater and returned to 1,510.
• The Christmas Cookie sliding index IS active today.
• You show a market value of 7,842.51
• Regardless of whether you choose to believe the index is active or not, the fact is: one CANNOT arrive at the maximum market price you show as 7,842.51 by accepting either 3,445 OR 5,410 as the determined initial inactive sliding index price.

My farm has been number 6 in that Top 10 cc holder bunch and left on its own. The individuals I have associated with in the bunch are not concerned or even have bothered with items in that craft market. The ccs are too difficult to make and the item move very slowly and in low quantities. When this farm was actively involved competing with the TOP 10 CC bunch, it would generate between 80 and 460 million ccs every single day.

I have nothing else to offer regarding this topic or will try until the terminology is completely understood.
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I agree with that.

And because I do agree and have exception prior experiences with the hoedown

1. I know any competitive farm will have extreme difficulty in producing all that is needed
2. and because one is highly unlikely to be able to produce all which is needed, in preparing efficiently, the price one is willing to pay for a single EV point is essential

There certainly is the happy-go-lucky style which appears to work sometimes with the bottom two-thirds of competitors.

 

I am careful with my definitions and try to be accurate.
If the game does not allow you to hand in an item (exchange it) then the term exchange value does not have any meaning.
I did not say that the item does not have a Value.
Cannot find where I said that craft items cannot be handled.
Can clearly see where I said that they cannot be handed in, exchanged if you prefer the terminology.

In any case the subject of the thread refers to Harvest Hoedown.
I do agree that the the price one is willing to pay for a single EV point is essential.

 

All we can do is try, no more. I read anything written by anyone in this forum about exchange values and most everything else here. However terms are used and however anyone prepares or even prepares at all for a hoedown type event or anything else is just fine with me now.

If I know the information is good, fine. If I know the information is bad and misleads others, great. I am trying my best not to say anything at all about it in this environment. I simply refuse to care anymore. But I know better.

I want to go to the Harvest Hoedown and perform well.
I know I cannot grow everything and I am willing to pay ccs for what I want.
But I have a question:

How does a farmer decided how much to pay for a single EV point?

 

In reality the farmer does not decide.
The market decides and the farmer has the option to follow or not.

While trying to make the most out of their resources farmers have to find in their market the most cost efficient items.
The lower the ratio of cost in CC's / EV the better fitted the item.

Before the current event a number Bahamarama trees could be bought in good quantities with a CC/EV ratio of 2.
The same stood for parrot feathers.
After the event I would expect the prices to return as they were before or even drop a little lower.
Better prices (CC/EV ratios) can be found from time to time but you have to scan the market frequently.

Animals, breeding animal, products and almost all plants have much higher CC/EV ratios and are not optimal for handing in the hoedown.
This does not mean that they are not useful to the farm or to the market, but handing them in the hoedown would be like burning resources.

 

Thank you very much.

I am the farmer
My ccs.
My farm will buy what it wants.
Any farm try to sell to me for .01 more than I will pay: I will not buy.
I decide what I will pay.

I will even put my price on your market for all to see.
If you want a sell quick (and many) then you list no higher than what I will pay
or wait for someone else .... up to you
My farms know how to wait and watch tree fruit go back to a barn because .01 more than I will pay is too high.
In reality, I decide my price for 1 ev unit.

Thank you very much