High EV Strategy/Harvest Hoedown

The Sliding Index for Christmas cookie was active few days ago. Previously stated Market Value stays in memory and the Sliding Index goes down to inactivity: the Inactive Sliding Index for Christmas cookie definitively stays at 3445 now. Purchase a Christmas cookie below 3445 does no more pull down the Sliding Index for Christmas cookie.

The previously stated Market Value shows relative actuality. Past acquisitions stay, that 9827,68 is the Market Value of Christmas cookie and not 7842,71. Older archives probably show a higher Market Value of Christmas cookie than 9827,68.

The highest Christmas cookie Market Value record does not impair the lowest prize of 0,10.
The highest Christmas cookie Market Value record does not affect the Table Value of 5140.
The highest Christmas cookie Market Value record does not prejudice the Inactive Sliding Index of 3445.

Market Trade Artisan Village Crafting Product	Value	Inactive Market sliding scale Dynamic (inJected.highest.unLocked)	Market Reference	Market Value
Christmas cookie	5140	3445.????,??.6028,75 3445.5167,50.????,?? 5140.????,??.????,??	AO.03.05,14 BE.23.13,01 AJ.19.15,40	09827,68 10000,00 08995,00
Crypt Vase	-	6450.????.11287,50 6450.9675.?????,??	AO.03.05,14 BE.23.13,01	20689 58599
Gingerbread	5140	6465 5140	AO.03.05,14 AN.22.08,15	11313,75 06265,00
Pretzel	5140	1420	AO.03.05,14	28998,99
Pumpkin pastry	9095	4445	AO.03.05,14	7778,75
Sourdough cake	5140	974,10	AO.03.05,14	5853,52
Vanilla crescents	5140	3645	AO.03.05,14	6378,75
Winter wreath	-	32480	AO.03.05,14	57970

Todays Market Investigation Table shows that the Grapefruit cost for the potential to one Hypothetic Handed Exchange Value approximate the Currency Rate of one Parrot Feather Barn Value.

article	Barn Value (BV)	Market Value (MV)	Transaction Value	Market Reference	MV record
Grapefruit	220	602,44	2,74	AO.03.05,14	2825,87
Goji Berry	444	1893,61	4,27	AO.03.05,14	5181,93
Sandalwood seed	593	4561,72	7,70	AO.03.05,14	4561,72
Parrot feather	1864	4878,49	2,62	AO.03.05,14	6419,91

2x1864=3728;
4x593=2372_&_2372x2=4744.

In twenty four hours (12+12), one Sandalwood tree gives 4744 Barn Value.
In twenty four hours (24), one Parrot feather tree gives 3728 Barn Value.
This makes the Parrot feather tree produce 1016 Barn Value less than the Sandalwood tree.

The first time I realize that the Control Code is higher than the Barn Value, I start a table to know how much the Farmerama user pays the Seed Shop for one Barn Value. Sorted by ‘Value’, Carnation stays as number one in the Barn.
Does Carnation stay in a Farmerama mainland level 083 Barn as value number one because Carnation is less expensive than Nettle? No.

The Index of Nettle is higher than the Index of Carnation and participants have no predetermined option to show ‘Index’ sorted search results.

arcticle	Control Code (CC)	Barn Value (BV)	Index	Market Reference	MV record
Carnation	426	142	3	AO.03.05,14	902,95
Nettle	270	19	14,22	AO.03.05,14	2487,29
Lettuce	1	1	1	AO.03.05,14	118,96
Sugarcane	5	1,5	3,34	AO.03.05,14	419,75
Honeydew melon	220	78	2,83	AO.03.05,14	679,99
Bitter Ginger	325	195	1,67	AO.03.05,14	1110,31

1000 Farmerama user participating in the ‘Top 2017’ get all rewards.
This makes each Farmerama market place provide an average of 31 Top Challengers and each remaining Farmerama Bigpoint forum talk with 62 Champions. Does the « Exchange Value Strategy » be the same over the years? If so, it makes clarify exacly the definition of « Exchange Value Strategy ».

Country Coin: The Country Coin is used to determine the Market Value of an article and the Country Coin is usefull to manage the Control Code of an article at the Seed Shop.
Barnyard Bill: The Exchange Value of one Barnyard Bill is 571 Country Coins (you need 175 Barnyard Bills to proceed the conversion).
Farm Coin: The Farmerama user can go further with Farm Coins at Shop-O-rama.

 

Hello elRe.
I can see some terminology is understood and with some we can communicate. I will try with you.

Moderator assistance on an issue is required by me on a related issue.

This appears to be your term. I do not understand what you are referring to.

Again, this appears to be your term. I do not know what you are referring to.

The best strategy would be the same over the years. Many many players did not use the best strategy in the past. Today, many are beginning to use the strategy.

The most efficient items to donate have changed. I have found that growing or producing some items is good. Depending upon the farm's level, growing and/or producing can be very bad.

The higher a farm wishes to go, the more efficient that farm must be. Today, many farm are just beginning to care about preparing for a final competition. The best prepared farms are already finished preparing and simply waiting on time to pass.

 

I am finding that alot of the higher EV items take too long to grow, but yet cost way too much to buy. Lower EV items make more sense to buy as far as EV ratios. Strategy is a good thing to have LOL and as I said before mine changes quite often as I play and learn. I thought having alot of everything was a good thing, but that idea is now just a thing of the past. I am finding now I just need to have my own personal goals for barn stock. What I mean is what I feel comfortable having on hand of each item. But for the hoedown, having alot of all items seems kinda dumb, if it takes too long to grow why bother, I can grow items to sell to have CC flow and buy the EV items, I can have 15,000 of low EV vs 100 of high EV items if that makes sense? You just have to do what ever takes less time and less CCs. that is where the spreadsheets and figuring comes into play. Again play and learn and be willing to read, listen, learn and be willing to change your strategy when you learn something better. The market does not decide what I spend on a EV, only I DO, if I decide to spend 3 CCs on 1 EV point, than that is my decision, if I decide to spend more or less, that IS MY DECISION, not the market. If i want to let my CCs sit in my account till a better price comes along than that is my decision, no one elses. I pay higher amounts for some items, but they are not intended for the hoedown, I have other ideas in my mind when I purchase them. But like I said, you have to decide your own strategy, make your own goals and the main thing here DONT FORGET TO HAVE FUN!!

 

LOL Makes a whole lot of sense. A problem comes when one is trying to explain that to someone else with the hope they will see what you see. Preparing for a Hoedown event type donation and preparing one's barn based upon personal preferences are very likely to be two different things. Attempting to do them both simultaneously is very difficult and for some impossible.

I cannot agree with you more. A change in strategy seems to be a very difficult decision for some to make in this game. Once one knows something then it becomes difficult to recognize nonsense too. Once we try .... up to them. And I now simply let it go. All I am free to state in this environment: Just be careful what you believe.

I think it is very dumb. For a Hoedown donation one needs items yes. But not all items. Just items in the right places. (A farm can have 10 million wheat. Nice but .... not in the right place to compete if this is mostly what one has. A Hoedown competition preparedness is quite different from meeting a personal holding of items objective. Great you see it.

lol .... remember the constant saying: "REVENUE FLOW." You see exactly why such a flow is necessary. That Revenue flow sure will make a preparation easy.

LOL That is it! What causes this? The amount you are willing to pay for a single EV point. EV points are all that has ever mattered in the final competition.

If you are willing to pay 3 and there is a listing which is 3.25 then the 3.25 is too high for you. lol The decision to buy is again, very hard and cold. (On a market where I am buying, there is an individual farm who knows exactly where to list. This farmer is so smart that he/she knows exactly where to price in order to get the very most they can out of me. But go .01 higher and ... NO SALE to me.) lol That individual will take millions of ccs from that farm and regularly. And that is fine with me. The sale is an easy sale. lol Sure the individual tried me. The individual wants more, sure. One of us is going to win. Raise that price .01 cc and there is NO Revenue from my farm on its way, period.

lol How funny. But I agree. I simply do not care what strategy another farm uses. lol You are absolutely correct. One probably has other objectives than some hoedown competition which may never happen. lol Even if no hoedown, a farm prepared is good to play the game.

Now I can explain how to really make this hard and cold and quick. All we needed was a simple answer to: HOW MANY CCS IS YOUR FARM WILLING TO PAY FOR ONE EV UNIT?

I know you already have the basic information in a spreadsheet.

• For illustration I will assume you will pay 3 ccs for one EV unit. The following is related to tree fruit:
• One column I list all tree fruit
• Next column I list the EV of each next to it
• Next column I take 3 (what you will pay) and multiply times the EV and that gives me what I will pay and not .01 more
• I go to market, click click click click click any 1s, 2s, 10s, 100s, 9999s What do I care? As long the price I pay meets then no need to care what it is. No need to care if what I buy is an orange or a pear or whatever lol

After a little while of buying this way, the game actually gives you ccs. Here is how. A farm will not be ble to by everything anyway. There is a good chance that the farm will have lots and lots of a tree fruit and that tree fruit price is really out of balance with the rest of the market. lol

Developers are forced to try and keep the game in balance. As time continue to pass and a farm continues to buy, the farm will get more and more of that item. Developers call for that item by means of an event. And sell sell sell sell sell. Revenue flows in faster than one can spend it. lol

The new problem created by selling is that the the evs sold must be replaced with something to keep the EV total moving forward. lol Another time.

I think you've got it and congratulations to you!

(and if any player tries to take you on about what you know and tries to prove you wrong, you will win every single time.)

 

I agree with « xristos-ale3andros »: The market decides the Transaction Value (TV = Market Value divided by Barn Value) and the participant chooses spend TV to qualify Exchange Value Relativity or not, because the Farmerama user dispose about own harvest productivity faculty which generates Labours Value (real life remuneration value equivalence) in addition to the Control Code Performance (CCP).
The Control Code Travel (CCT) is the action to purchase all daily Seed Shop contents: without CCT, no CCP. The Control Code Performance is the best way to produce the revenue (and slowly grow surely Barn capacity). Without revenue, no market place Community Continuity (another CC in addition to the 'official' CC abreviation « www.bigpoint.com/farmerama/board/index.php?threads/faq-abbreviations.3416/#post-13000 » for Country Coin).

A total of 25 Top 1000 winner are listed as english language Farmerama user, a total of 19 Top 1000 winner are listed as turkish language Farmerama user and one swedish language Farmerama user is qualified in the ‘2017 Farmerama Top 3000’.

The ‘Top 10 farmer, Experience Point’ daily actuality shows participants progression (Pay to Win or not).
The ‘Top 10 farmer, Country Coin’ daily actuality generally shows market performance related success (high Market Value or not?).
The ‘Top 10 farmer, Exchange Value’ yearly result shows satiety (low Transaction Value or not).

Be represented in all three categories (misuse of power or not) is the Real Challenge.

The daily actualized Top 10 categories show now two multiple Top holders - one is the winner of the Top 10 Exchange Value 2017 too (the other one respectively stays on place 958 ).

Another Top 10 Exchange Value 2017 holder also stays in the Top 10 Experience Point category.
Four of eighteen Top 10 daily actuality representatives do not be qualified in the ‘2017 Farmerama Top 3000’ and all other Top 10 daily actuality representatives are in the Top 1000 category; one is an english language Farmerama user.

 

I went to the moderators on a portion of the craft information and general information. The thread is Titled "Clarification Sought" and is shown in the general issues section.

While the statement made by the moderator regarding "value" being the exchange value is very clear and logical to me, the definition given is in conflict with information which was received from another moderator.

The discussion is good and you may wish to review it.

When assisting others for great lengths of time with Exchange Value Analysis, the recommendation made has been: whether right or wrong by doing so, for now I have chosen to perform the analyses while assuming "value" means exchange value.

The donation of craft products has not been allowed in a Harvest Hoedown type event in the past, nor have specific craft products or a general donation of these products ever been called for in an event.

At this time, I am uncomfortable engaging in a specific discussion involving any particular craft product until the information contained in the recipe tables is undated and clarified by the game team. Until such an update is available for all, I strongly recommend being very careful with what is believed.

 

It has been announced there will be some sort of "hoedown" or "harvest" type of event this year!! Im glad, but a little nervous too, as it seems there will be alot of competition this year, but this is of course what we are playing for right?

 

Remember all of the times I continued to say: REVENUE FLOW! You have provided the very reason why.

In the next Wild About Animals event there is a product pen to be awarded. And guess what tree fruit is required: Pears. And the price of pears most likely fit into one buy ratio used.
No thought required in the purchase. lol
BP give us ccs

LOL By now you should be finding that you are able to see what many do not. (I must laugh.) Although one is able see, one realizes that their actions become limited. One simply wants to go in many directions. Several years can pass before a farm is able to go in all directions seen possible.

Initially, one must just let somethings go and move forward as the payoffs come.

I read references today: high ev high ev high ev high ev. lol As proven over and over and over again, just high ev is not the answer to ANY free donation of goods. The answer is what one pays to produce an item or what rate one pays in the market for an item.

 

I fully agree


ETA: Good thing I have over 3000 pears already in stock before they announced we will need pears.

 

I remember the 1,000 2,000 3,000 days of something well. You most likely acquired them right. There is a marketing part to all this. We must sell whatever we can for that REVENUE FLOW. If one can believe what they see and believe in themselves and know how to work it themselves, ..... if one can continue turning that stock then one day one will find a million of something if they choose (pears here 1,049,679). This goes on and on and on.

If one has knowledge of the game and can keep what has been found in sight, that individual is their own limit.

Here is one that takes game knowledge of newly released items:
I don't even care what the EV of the guinea pig is right now.
The farm blindly purchased them. Even up to 300,000 ccs each.
The farm bought and just let the market rise.
I managed to get about 35 with the lowest being about 6,000 ccs or so.
The farm just listed one (the only listing on the market now) for right at 395,000 ccs.

A disadvantage of a hoedown type competition is that the farmer is really throwing away their farm.
The farmer is throwing away hundreds of thousands and even millions and some billions of EV points away.
The item donated will no longer be available to turn for more ccs .
The is like taking two steps forward to acquire (build the farm) and then take one step back to donate (tear up the farm). lol

One may want to watch that guinea pig and forget all about EVs for a moment.

 

WOW, good job on those guinea pigs. No one has been listing them on my markets, but me LOL I keep listing one at a time on my main farm and only have them up to about 12000, I try to list one a day, on my other farm its only at like 2000. Same thing for those last two trees, sometimes the market price goes up fast for new items, and other times it takes forever to go up. I will take these three new pens tomorrow and just put them out and keep them out and just grow grow and hoard till the market price goes up LOL.

Yes the hoedown is like throwing your farm away, But we have to have a goal, otherwise the game will get boring LOL. I can remember when my goal was to get 1 million CCs, then 10 million CCs, 100 each of animals, 5000 of each crop etc. I realize if I compete in the hoedown I will clean my barn out, BUT I will start over, LOL I was thinking, if I place in the top 500, maybe instead of doing the hoedown next year, maybe I will set a new goal, and try to make it in the top 10 for CC holder, but I have no idea what I will go for, maybe I will go for top 50 hoedown next year, I will just have to wait and see. I just think if I concentrate on just CCs, the game will get too boring LOL, lets face it, EV - CCs planning, buying selling it is all very deep and takes a lot of concentration, and works the brain, I mean if I just grow and sell that I think would get too boring, I think I like the numbers game too much to just limit myself to that, So maybe I will go for making 1 billion CCs then start buying EV items, I just dont know how "I will farm" for 2019.

 

Only 1 guinea pig left to list .... now selling for 418,062.50 each (just listed a single lot of 5) lol. Up to you but you may want to allow someone else to raise the market price ... up to you. Others are now trying to come into the market now. Fine with me because I m almost out of it. lol

Tree fruit tends to be much easier to acquire than to sell. By setting a lower acquisition ratio we will acquire slower but can sell quicker because we do not need as much to cover our cost. You are the boss!

Anyone can grow and sell, anyone. LOL I agree that working a market will work the brain. Do it often enough and you will laugh that you ever allowed working your brain to happen.

BUT, in my opinion there is a change that has been planned and the point of change is approaching. I have no information that what I will say is inevitable in this game: In my opinion, shortages are being created by escalating demand. In order to ease any shortage, more supply must be made available to those demanding. In this case, combining markets will help. There is more.

This whole idea of how to play the market at one time was unheard of and few were trying it. Today, I find this a little more widespread and still must regard those in the English Forum as behind when comparing to those in other forums. In order to move forward quicker, one must buy and sell frequently. BP knows this as any online game developer does. The game is marketed as free to play.

Game operators (the companies) must make income. Slowly build the clientele, begin to get revenue from sales of items, and then make more revenue by charging to market. lol So in order to continue marketing the game as free, each player is allowed to make so many sales or listings for free ............. and if the player wishes to try and sell more then that player must purchase a license of some sort in order to do so. Online games have been completely destroyed trying similar approaches.

I have always maintained that the game developers are not stupid and I regard them as decent. This game is well into the mature stage of a game's life-cycle. I would be very surprised if a player continues to have the power of making unlimited offers in the market without using RL funds in order to do so.

The above is only my opinion and I can be very very wrong. But if right, the manner in which one engages in market play will change.

lol And those who know how to work with EVs will work a new system also. lol

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Listing of a single lot of 5 guinea pigs gone. EV for guinea pig is 662. I listed the last at 412,062....... I'm out of that market for now. EV ratio is just over 622 . lol

 

Im happy for you, I love to hear of others good outcomes. I think the most I have sold one animals was around 250,000 CC, at first I felt guilty, but that is strategy. Now I get excited!!

I dont put many items to drive up the new items in the market, just try to "put in" my part when needed when it goes slow LOL Im tired of waiting LOL I have 5 stables so I dont mind putting up 1 a day to help out, once the price starts going up, it will go crazy. Ive only had to help the market along a few times now.

Just think, with that 412,062 CCs how many EV points you can turn that into. much more than 662.

 

Yes, we should have a goal. Some have entered at the last moment and a select few have succeeded in a final Hoedown type competition. Sure I can understand not preparing. And I can understand the price one pays for not preparing also. In the end, each of us decides for ourselves.

For the top 10 CC holder competition: Reaching it is not impossible.

 

I have a question for you that have done the hoedown before, I know it goes hand in hand with an event, and during the event it asks for donations based on various catagories. But once you finish the event and just donating straight to hoedown, do yo still have to donate my catagory or are you free to donate from you barn what ever you want? Like we have discussed to look for good ratios, I find alot of the better ratios are on BAHA side, can we donate just baha, no mainland, then i also find, best is baha trees, can we donate just baha trees? Or will each donation still be a random catogory, like 250,000 worth of mainland crops, 500,000 worth of breeding animals?? I have some CCs I need to exchange into EV by shopping in the market, but I want to do so wisely. I have a wide variety of items now. But I want to get the most value I can if say I can buy almost all trees, but what if they are almost all baha trees, or what if I find a really good deal on a certain animal. I guess what Im saying is do I need to concentrate on all catogories or just whatever I want. I think I have plenty stock to get thru the event with no issues at all. Because it seems like I read somewhere that someone got in top 500 with just chickens or something like that?

 

• Last year was the first year where a farm could compete without participating in a basic event. One must wait on the faqs for certainty. (Because one does not know is the reason I have recommended farms to prepare in ALL areas. If one does this preparation properly the one will play a "what-if" "what-if" game until the event faqs are released.)

• If there is an event one must complete before participating in the competition the one must submit or do whatever is asked and this brings us back to the specific event faqs.
• In the past, the only items which have been excluded from the TOP competition have been pheromones and craft products.
• You mention crops! There are categories of crops. What if the call is for mainland flowers or baha flowers or mainland vegetables of baha grains ..... on and on.
• The hope is that your farm is over prepared at the time the event faqs are released. (If not prepared, the farm will have about a week to prepare in any area.)

• Advance preparation in ALL areas will leave you with a well rounded farm to enter into the event and or competition.
• Perhaps holding ccs until the faqs are released is good but up to you. Realize that the farm may pay more for an item once the faqs are released and an item or class is needed.

It seems natural to get into a "panic mode" as the event draws near. To begin panic-buying and panic-selling is not the action to take now.

• I seriously doubt anyone made it into the TOP 500 by donating all chickens. Very few who know would do it. Most could not have afforded to do it because the ratio was too high and therefore making a full chicken donation not affordable. Unless an animal donation is required then there are much much better alternatives to submit. (There are classes of animals yet BP has never called for a specific type .... such as mammal or birds.)
• I sent a farm last year which produced about 4,800 apples a day for about 9 months. That farm donated -0- apples though. The farm sold the apples immediately each day and purchased what it needed. (the ratio again!)

Hope this helped and good luck.

 

Yes it has, basically its a wait and see. I have no doubt I have enough barn items to complete what is needed to get me there if we do have to finish an event, I just wanted to buy all extras at the best EV ratio I could, with out having to split it up between catagories as I have been doing. I could just get alot more EV for by CCs if I didnt have to get animals, products, trees, and I dont want to wait till last minute either as once FAQs are released market prices go crazy for anything called for, so I want to take my time now and wisely spend my Hard earn CCs now for the best value I can, Im just saying for the same amount of CCs, I know I can get alot more EV in with certain items than I can with other items. Im not trying to win the competition, just get into and learn this year, and prepare and make plans for next year. I know the only way to do that is to compete, get a feel for it so I can learn, I am more of a hands on type of learner. So I want to be able to compete a good safe level for my farm, leaving me with enough stock in my barn that I feel comfortable with walking away with. I have no problem emptying my barn and bank to a certain level as I have learned so much as to how to make it all back, but I refuse to go too low that I will feel panicked too, having a few items low, compared to everything low is a big difference as I do know, I have a few items that are low, but they are my money makers, but I hoard and stock what I can, and study the EV alot. Im no expert but I am trying to learn as I go and take my failures as learning opportunities. Its all how you play the game and what goals you are working towards, that decides how to play, if that makes sense. I used to play for advancement, filling FSQs as fast as I could, but I dont play that way now, so what I buy and sell is totally different. And what amount Im willing to pay is different too.

Yeah it might not of been only donated chickens, it might of been like you said, they grew and sold chickens and bought what was needed. Or I could of been wrong and it might of been your example with the apples and I got confused LOL I tend to do that.

Thanks for all of your input and guidance thru all my questions broke, you have been a big help.

 

LOL You are so very very funny to me. I really believe you are preparing your farm well. Just look at all you have learned and been able to put together. You're good.

Just keep going. Your farm will only get better. There will always be something you would do differently. Just try and cover all of the bases.

• Some area(s) you may want what you consider to be a bare minimum.
• Holdings for a flower call also provides the holdings for a crop call (same with a vegetable call) ... we do not know (you are preparing for anything and everything)

You have gone into detail in many areas. Some will go through no detail, limit their learning, and some will still place. You will be better off during such an event and definitely after.

I feel everyone in the forum is rooting for you. And many will support you however they can during the event. You have asked what you wanted to know long ago, you have considered what others have had to offer, and you have chosen the best route for you. An you did this your way!

There is no more you can give but your best. You know more than many about the game now and preparation for such an event.

Relax and have fun.

 

Thanks so much farmer_broke, you are so encouraging!!!

 

You are quite welcome and I am for you.

I have waited to see whether or not anyone was going to mention what I will say. Many farmers are real real real quiet when there is reason to believe one may have competitive advantage. And I choose to broadcast it:

• For a very long time a farm could NOT grow all that was needed in a final competition. The game changes and we go from there.
• Remember the fern? The fern is classified as a flower. Here is more:

The EV of the fern is 200. The maple sap tree will generate 4 in 20 hours (ev is 170).
The fern cannot be purchased as a daily seed <-------------------------------------------
Grow time with no water is 6 hours and with water on main field it is 4 hours and 48 minutes​

• The final donation competition has always included flowers anyway.
• Using buffs and anything in the clouds and super grow enables one to generate a looooooooooooooooot of ev quickly is the outcome

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There is not enough quantity of tree fruit or parrot feathers (products) on markets I have reviewed .... prices increase .... the market EV ratio increases

• crops with higher EVs are not increasing at the same rate and therefore some crops are becoming competitive

Again, we cannot purchase the fern seed in the seed shop.

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Also, buff use with some crops can beat the ev points generated with the 20 hour maple sap.