I'm broke, again! How do I make ccs?

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  1. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    Hello Ivancica

    Yes, the frenzy is over for now on this market. Earned a few million in quick revenue and now time to take my listings off the market and let the 1's and 2's have it. I'll do the cha-cha back to the big house. Some will not list now as the market index has not risen significantly.

    Peacock have dropped in half with plenty listings. Fish have remained stable and fish feed has increased slightly. Appears many are completing the growing part of the event and require drops now. There is plenty of time to produce the animals even if needed.

    I need chickens .... 50,000 at least and no sign of them anytime soon. :cry:
     
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  2. penguilnz

    penguilnz Forum Veteran

    @farmer_broke , I can sell you 200 chickens for 30000 CC. Are you accepting this offer?:p

    @Avienne_1 , a huge thank you for your announcement. I bought some dogs, moose, spiders, glow worms (I don't understand why I'm buying glow worms) and crows. Now I'm broke with only 1 million cc left...:cry::cry::cry:
    but I'll get back my cc soon, have noticed that the market price of these animals are increasing.
     
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  3. IVANCICA30

    IVANCICA30 Regular

    my market full of chicken lowest price 181,55 and 196,87 cc i think i will also sell some :D
     
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  4. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    @penguilnz

    If we were on the same market I would buy all the chickens you offer. And since it's you, send you a CAC for your trouble. Glowworm rose in price on many markets due to a recent FSQ. Good ccs in them to produce them. I was buying cheaper and reselling in lots of 50 - 100 for a while but when prices rose I sold to -0- and have not returned. I found smaller risk for the same investment amount. Glowworms needed for spider feed. Nice size investment without all the trouble to get a decent return provided you can get a return at all. I think you will have to hold them and let supplies fall as spider feed sales will increase. Some will also get the spider on the next MM and want to see how their shiny new pens look. I may be wrong but I think there is a glowworm pen given as a reward in the recent event. You're a braver soul than I am with the glowworm business. Now you have me trying to see how I might be able to do the same thing. Thanks for the inspiration. :)

    What market are you on and I'll see if a baby farm has the funds to buy your chickens? Can't promise a CAC from the baby farm though but the sale .... real good chance.

    @Icancica

    I would buy all the chickens you offered at that price also and send you a CAC to do business again when you had more. I have played for a while due to them being a newbie animal and 4 chickens are needed for each anaconda feed.
     
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  5. penguilnz

    penguilnz Forum Veteran

    @farmer_broke , I don't need a CAC. If I need money I can sell chicks and poop. Noticed that the price of dogs and glowworms increased slightly in my market. Moose, spider and crow decreased. (but I am guessing it will increase again)

    Managed to catch 4 dogs at 800 CC each. (second lowest price was 1300 CC)
    Saw some moose at 700 CC each but did not buy them. (second lowest price is 1000 CC)

    Now I might consider looking at the other animals...
     
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  6. escalonilla

    escalonilla Forum Commissioner

    you wanna buy mine? :p
     
  7. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    Hello Penguilnz. You may not need the CAC I know only too well. You can't produce the chicks faster than I can buy them. The CAC would be the only way I could give you a fair price because I will make the ccs. No desire to take advantage of you or anyone else. I have farmers I regularly buy from and in essence they regularly work for me. We limit our farm's growth by holding ccs to look at. Again, the only way to benefit is having the purchasing power during a period of falling prices. Even so, if one's barn is healthy enough one can recoup with time.

    The decrease in price of moose, spider and crow follows the general pattern. We are watching markets being influenced by rumor and care should be taken. Dog price of 800 is decent now even if one must keep them as 800 is still less than twice the exchange. Moose for 700, yes, and hard to find now.

    Acquisition of animal can become somewhat expensive, especially when acquiring across the board. Expansion of the farm is done from sales of produced items, market increases from held items, and the turnover of items purchased for investment in order to turnover and buy another investment .... Even with calls for a specific animal, I have found it much more profitable to simply hold them and others to take immediate profits and for go the larger long term profits gained by holding.

    When purchasing a specific item, I will even list at a quantity not expecting to sell. I will list it in such a high quantity there will be no takers and those wishing to stay on page one or two will continue to list cheaper and I will simply be buying. 8) They are only being set up while giving them a little to spend with you anyway in another area. 8)

    Price per chicken? How many? Just to buy from you would be great. Hope you are well. What else would you care to sell? And ifI feel the price is unfair to you then I will send you a better return through daily gifts you may sell.
     
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  8. escalonilla

    escalonilla Forum Commissioner

    haha
    I was just kidding, but thanks for the offer.
    I happen to see your name waaaaay many times in the market . I never buy you something since I know how broke you want to be :p
     
  9. I have noticed that some products and animals are showing a 20% - 50% drop in price since Sunday (I keep a spreadsheet of market price variance). What is odd is that the products and animals are those being used in the event. I'm not sure if this holds good for the 40 odd other markets, but it is the first time I have seen required items actually drop as an event started. Nothing else shows similar drops and usually there's at least a 10% increase in prices for event specific items.
     
  10. -Mir85-

    -Mir85- Living Forum Legend

    If those are the products (picnic blankets, jewelry etc.), then I am not very surprised. Some don't read the FAQ very carefully, and think they need all those products.
     
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  11. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    I have bought what you listed before and doing so always brings a smile to my face. Too funny.

    What you are seeing happens quite often. A call for an item brings those holding the item to the market in search of quick fortunes. Some may even have held the item for a while. This event was announced somewhat early to us. There was plenty of time for those regularly playing the game to review the event and to produce the items called for with very little effort. Even animal feed was affected very slightly and only or a short period. The quantity called for is relatively insignificant. The event drains barns of the items called for and has little to no effect on price.

    If reviewing the event before it actually begins, any extraordinary funds will be made prior to the event even beginning. The number of offers for all event items will fall after the event. There will be bubbles in price as the event comes to an end but even then there are so many offers on the market there is often less than with no event.

    If one has ccs, then one may use this opportunity to buy. The way to benefit is to list an unusually large amount at a price which is low and will not be bought. Then instead of buying for the event, one buys to hold. 8) One's barn will increasemuch more rapidly doing so provided one has enough ccs to fund the buying activity.

    I like your spreadsheet idea. When no one visits here I'll post a chart where differences in exchange value and market is used. That difference is then subtracted from the previous and one is analyzing differences in price increases and decreases. One is able to clearly see percentage price increase and decrease over a period of time. One is able to target purchases and begin price prediction. The developers have access to all the data we will go through trouble to collect. AND IT IS USED in game direction. The data is simple to accumulate for them and no effort to collect. And they MUST review the data because they cannot have wild unpredictable outcomes occur in the game and maintain control of it.

    Nice to meet you Hoppalong. Please join us anytime. With your help I won't be broke.....again :cry:.
     
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  12. SillyGuy

    SillyGuy Forum Veteran

    I saw more rapid movements on my market in the last few days, especially today. Something fishy, but I can not see the direction. -.--.-
    What's going on ?? Idk...


    I'm sure someone tried to set up a time traps and to observe it. I had been playing shadows, not to drive in. xDxD
    Let's see how good I make a serious deal with the evil... :wuerg::cry::wuerg:

    Don't care if I will be going down to -0- CC again !! 8)
     
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  13. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    Thinking of slowly liquidating the entire farm. 8) Anyone have any ideas where to begin?
     
  14. SillyGuy

    SillyGuy Forum Veteran

    Same is the case with me. Slowly because many things are changing in the game.

    What if you play with some of artisan products are favored by many people? Maybe with red punch? :pxD
     
  15. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    Artisan products would seem to be the right place to begin as they will take longer to liquidate at a fair price. I was just thinking about listing everything at market less 25% - 40%.
     
  16. SillyGuy

    SillyGuy Forum Veteran

    Let's see.. Obviously the problem in determining a reasonable (fair) price..
    Knowledge of the absolute price of 'ingredient' is to be understood.

    I worked with that ways.. Less 25% - 40% is huge range, I'm not so sure how many coins for it..
    Would you kindly explain it to me ??
     
  17. mud_pie_man

    mud_pie_man Junior Expert

    <---- This farm is being liquidated but with a purpose. I am making a guess as to what areas will be needed to compete in the TOP 1000. It is only level 72 so not too much to work with and that is the challenge. I want to have 200M exchange in tree fruit and the farm is far away from it. Breeding animals, normal animals, tools, and flowers are not a problem. The farm manages to hold between 27 - 31 million and my intent is to use it all if/when the right opportunity arises. Until then it spends 1 - 1.5M a day. I can sell at fair prices because there is so little here.

    The broke farm has a barn that will take a while to liquidate and in lots of areas. I was thinking the idea would be to just liquidate the farm to another farmer that has the bank. Even to begin dumping at close to fair prices is a challenge. I have been trying to liquidate 185 - 190 thousand various animal feed for several months. The profit has been decent.

    What would make you spend your ccs? I mean all of them? What kind of deals do I need to offer?

    ---edit---
    The acquisition rate is not good enough. I still have about 30M but even spending the entire 30M at one time will not give me quite enough tree fruit. And I just cannot find a way to fund raising the acquisition price without taking undue risk. Constantly liquidating and selling what has been milled and produced is very slow and probably not adequate, but just maybe. Will begin unloading excess breeding animals. What do you think?
     
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  18. SillyGuy

    SillyGuy Forum Veteran

    Congrats broke... Finally you have captured several images of my master plans, that was I have been doing since I started this game. :p

    If you have read my posts in many threads, you'll see how many coins that had me get and spend in a short time. Although I spent more than 30M in just 3 days, or I lose a few million coins by mistake the number of sales, or so forth, I do not lose my purchasing power in the market. Where did I get it?
    Slowly you begin to find the answers. :music:

    I can not give you much advice as to advance towards competing in the TOP 1000, this method only works for players who have ONLY one account. I do not want to miss exciting offers due to be out and entered the game with a different account. :oops: Surely you already know this stuff.. xDxD


    You may ignore this post ! Cause I don't care if I will be going down to - 0 - CC again !!
    You know I like to be silly here.... There can be no one who will believe me. Who cares ??
    At least, I am SillyGuy !! 8)8)
     
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  19. farmer_broke

    farmer_broke Commander of the Forum

    The TOP 1000 can work easily for players with more than a single account. It is so easy that the excitement is only in how soon one can assure oneself is truly competitive. A level 40 farm has no chance whatsoever. The mud_pie_man farm has a decent chance at level 72 and there is another behind it with a real outside chance. The later farm is rolling the dice though and not even concerned this year. The broke farm was level 82 I think and the only concern was the long term survival of the farm. The mud-pie_man farm is so you that it will be fit for the blinking red light when done, sadly. That farm cannot roll the dice too often. For you the challenge would be easy as long as you are willing to control the number of losses you may take.

    I've been listing in 9999 not to sell but to buy. I want the 9999 to be returned to the barn. I'll just buy buy buy buy and then sell sell sell the same thing and profit beyond the loss taken on the 9999. Some just must list on page 1 despite what the market is. Quantity and price considerations are really necessary to understand as we know.

    I have no master plan other than to stay broke all the time. But even that is getting more difficult. Maybe I should earn to grow. I'll start with carrots. :D
     
  20. SillyGuy

    SillyGuy Forum Veteran

    Well... Carrot is the best crop for the EV/hour purpose in the mainland fields. :p
    Gladly, we are in different market, broke. Otherwise, I could be screwed strategy you use. :music:xD I've posted about sucking-up-power-supply in a thread in somewhere. Thank you to bring it back to explain what it was.

    Just like what you said about listing 9999 units, I would love to buy them all even if you listed as many as 10 lots.

    For how long have you been collecting them all?
    I could be easily to acquire them in just 1-3 days. :wuerg::wuerg::wuerg:
    You would be pissed on me... Then I am going to reply your message with ROFLMAO.. That's all folks !!xDxDxD

    That's the main reason. ;):cry::cry:
     
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