I'm broke, again! How do I make ccs?

Good we discuss this. I have been collecting for a long long time. You can bet that when I list at 9999 I am listing at a profit even if I don't wish to sell but acquire. I see you know about exchange value and growing. (Cannot ignore market/value per hour either.) <--- used previously to identify items to be called in the near future but have not used lately.

So you like 9999's. My only question is how deep are your pockets because listing in 9999's will take you in many areas. The next problem would be how long would it take me to give it all away to my friends. hahahaha

Recently did the following with crops from lettuce to fennel:

Computed market/EV for each -- surprising what you see
Computed time (with no water)/EV for each
Ranked each crop within each group
Differences easy to see

But again, the returns are not as great as we look for. There are definite returns. And buying will encourage other farmers to grow. Can even encourage farmers to grow to loose.

Low end crop call on the way.

Thanks Sillyguy. You encouraged me to find a long term goal: Acquire a million chickens.

 

• You may choose to list 1 unit for 10 lots at +50% over maximum market value or +75% over maximum value (with market fairy rune). For this one, you may identify items to be called in the near future.
  
• You may choose to list 1 unit for 10 lots at random price. For this one, you may observe someone's purchasing power and also may identify to be called in the near future.

I can't say to like it. It used for eliminating the contenders purpose in your market.
To identify the contenders : find out who's always sell items in large numbers. Generally, they also play at top breeding animals each time and always play wider areas. Doing multiple times as possible as you like every day.
Shadowing is important to me. And one more thing, clearing in large number is not to look for returns or profits, sometimes I did it for piling up items.

I have done it for a very long time. Done with spreedsheet. Thank you for reminding again.

Are you also looking for someone to work with you, aren't you....?! One of the best thing caused Domino Effects. You hire someone else and paying his/her efforts.

 

Time for those dreaded shop a-holic meetings...

7 Beady eye jellies @ 110,000 CC each (Total 770,000)
5 Cherry Cheesecakes @ 31,500 CC each (Total 157,500)
3 Autumn Arrangements @ 27,500 CC each (Total 82,500)
8 Carrot Apple Chutney @ 50,195.04 CC each (Total 401,560.32)
7 Red punch @ 12,000 CC each (Total 84,000)
1 Pumpkin Jam @ 5269.68 CC

Now I'm left with .

farmer_broke can you help me to "print" my money?

 

you buy from your market and sell in the market you make money no problem. you get one free spin everyday so what you get could be money>?

 

i have sugestion put items that give cc in park not in cloud row and you get free money Santa doze give 2412 cc every 15 h and if you have sell chameleons i will sell all my gym,ninja i sporty chameleons and hope to get bags of cc

 

@penguilnz
You bring for high costly price...!! Is it your listing or your purchasing?

Beady eye jellies @ around 157% over fair price for each.
Cherry cheesecakes @ 140% over fair price for each.
Autumn arrangements @ 110% over fair price for each.
Carrot apple chutney @ around 104% over fair price for each.
Red punch @ 120% over fair price for each.
Pumpkin jam @ around 117% over fair price for each.

Surely, you should be calculated 10% commission fee if you want to list them..

 

@OneCrop35 , great idea.
@IVANCICA30 , I don't have any cc givers. I also don't have cloud row.
@SillyGuy , these are the items I purchased.

I know what I will do now, sell lettuce!
Selling lettuce is a great or bad idea?
Farmer_broke who is actually a multi-millionaire (because of mud_pie_man), please help me!

 

Be careful for what you did... It's not good idea to purchase at those numbers, especially Beady eye jellies..
Playing on artisan product area does not like as you think.. No instant coins here!
Acquired should be at low price and sold at high price...

 

pengilnz don t worrie just put it in market i will buy it it is time for friend s help

 

@SillyGuy oops I didn't know that... So what should I do now?
@IVANCICA30 everyone's market is different.

I sold some chickens and now my cc balance increased to 8000. Still a long way to my old 1.5 million...

 

resell all that Beady eye jellies you bought

 

There is a good tip for you..
Milling the donkey feed as many as you could do now, then rolling the dice soon...
But do not sell it at once!! You need it later..

 

i just bought 2 pheromons for 300 and will resell them for 324

 

Thank you ivancica and sillyguy for the tips.
@IVANCICA30 I do not have enough cc to pay the commission fee. Remember that I only have 9000 CC. but I can resell the cf soon... Thank you for your help.
@SillyGuy ty for the suggestion, will try that.
@IVANCICA30 (second post) if you resell them for 324 your profit is 291.60 CC, which means that you lost some money.

Edit: added words (added words are in red)

 

Sorry bad deals, ivancica...

Listed for 324, that means you have to pay 10% commission fee (32.4), so net profits = 324 - 32.4 = 291.6 for each.

What is called for to buy at 300 and to earn at 291.6? Answer = Loss..

 

i know but i did buy 2 for 300 so i can put 20 for 324 so i think i was on 0

 

Still not a good deal, selling 2 or 20 the principle is the same, these phormones are selling at 500 cc minimum in my market, maybe if you raise the price a little bit it will be a good start, think of 370 cc minimum, or hold onto them until next BBD.

 

Many do not like to sell lettuce. Most want instant gratification in terms of an increase in ccs. The return on the investment is often ignored. There is only a limited amount of any item one may sell each day. Lettuce is a crop one produces as one begins a farm. Selling is often done very poorly at this stage leaving profits for someone who want to fool with lettuce. Buying also provides initial funds needed by a new farmer which in turn helps them to gain a start and encourages them to stay with the game REGARDLESS of who thinks otherwise. Look at the excitement of those earning a first million and the desire to continue to grow while remaining in the game. It works whether done unintentionally. And I will intentionally assist a new farmer on the same market to get started.

Lettuce is needed in the mill and in quests and opportunities do continually exist to sell at a profit if indeed purchased with intent. And when there has been a call for lettuce, the ccs earned are unbelievable but still limited in terms of actual ccs. I will remain in the lettuce market as long as I play this game and simply because of the continuous no effort return. Have farms playing lettuce that keep as few as 4000 lettuce but continuously turn it over.

Many crops parallel lettuce mechanics. Acquiring a million lettuce, carrots, wheat or hay at a competitive price is not as easy as it may sound.

There are many decent events which occur between farmers buying and selling within the first five crops we are able to grow which forces will not allow me to explain in detail here. I must leave further discussion alone.

@IVANCICA30

Any item you purchase in this game must be sold at

(cost of the item) / .90
in order to make -0- profit. Nothing. Say pheromones cost 300.

300 / .90 = 333.33 <---- you will not make anything unless you sell above this number .... guaranteed



Say I buy lettuce at 1.65 cc

In order to make a profit I must sell above:

1.65 / .90 = 1.83

Anything below this and I will surely loose .... surely



If I buy apples at 44

In order to make a profit I must sell above:

44 / .90 = 48.89

Anything below this and I will surely loose .... surely


JUST BECAUSE YOU LIST AN ITEM IN ORDER TO PROFIT DOES NOT GUARANTEE SOMEONE WILL BUY IT!

 

Hi broke, Hi SillyGuy,
Have been wanting to reply to a few things mentioned lately.
That being said this won't be the time I do it as I would really need to reread though it again to bring myself back up to speed.
just wanted to let you know your words are not for naught, they never are.

 

Rooster feed was discussed here several months ago. Rooster feed requires 65 wheat, 45 corn, and 6 minutes 18 seconds of mill time. Several baby farms bought as low as 700! When rooster were introduced many farmers milled the feed and many milled it just because they could. By this I mean they were able to mill the feed in quantity and may not have even had a rooster pen to use it. So to get ccs they were selling the feed at a loss due to the market value of the ingredients. And there was no demand for rooster as there were so few pens available and no need for them.

Again, the supply of feed was much greater than the demand for the feed. The price of feed fell drastically as it would for most items in a market place.

Pens were slowly released and some farmers produced the rooster. Some took the immediate profit which was lower than producing alternative animals and some held the rooster until demand was created. Meanwhile feed prices stabilized and on most markets was about 60% of cost. And the prices remained approximately the same despite the prices for ingredients rising. Farmers milling it were continuously loosing if selling it.

Some farmers were buying it and simply holding it. This farm invested in several thousand rooster feed. Now what to do? Yes, pens have increased across the game and demand for rooster has been created by the new permanent quest. Sure cheap feed is still around but those holding are now wanting more for it.

There is no problem whatsoever easily getting 80 - 125% return on investment and on one market there is a 250% profit. The question becomes how much profit does one wish to take and how much risk does one want to take achieving it? There are four choices one must make if in this position:

1. One may acquire now and take the risk of holding longer in order to receive a return at a later date.
2. One may sell now at market price and will be maximizing profits at this date. One must keep in mind that this is a rare animal feed and the market moves very slowly and one will usually sell in small quantities.
3. One may drop well below market and sell at a price which will attract those wishing to resell. This is very similar to a wholesaler/retailer relationship but it works. One selling well below market must allow the potential buyer, who is being enticed, a clear opportunity to make profits. The wholesaler is letting a retailer profit from bothering with all the low quantity sales and the increase in risk. The wholesaler is not taking ALL of the profit.
4. The final choice and very risky choice is to play in the same market as a wholesaler and as a retailer. When selling to an individual at wholesale prices who will use the feed is no problem for the wholesaler or seller and often beneficial to the producer using the feed and not reselling it. The danger is selling at wholesale prices to the individual one will be competing with at the retail level.

My decision: I will dump a few large lots at the wholesale level and generate a modest profit. Then get out of the market for a few days in order to allow the market to further absorb the cheap existing feed only to return and dump further large lots at the wholesale level at a higher price and greater profit.

Holding large quantities makes for less profit if choosing to sell at the retail level with wholesale stock in this game, not always but in many instances.

FUNDS WERE SUNK FOR MONTHS and I was broke. Now I will make the choice whether to look at ccs and have no immediate chance of profit or ....... invest in something else and be broke again.

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Notice how quickly Anaconda feed increased in price. Reason: Demand for anaconda and mills cannot keep up with the production of anaconda and therefore need feed in order to continue producing.

Funds were sunk into Anaconda themselves with the payoff created by the current new quest. Anaconda production requires Anaconda feed, Anaconda feed requires rabbits and chickens, rabbit and chicken feed require carrots and wheat and hay. And the chain reaction continues.

One must begin somewhere. As one progresses then one will create a barn with wide variety rather than a single crop or animal. If one can then why not play them all. One can only sell so much of a single item in a day at a fair price anyway.

---edit 2---
There are two animals which are signaling an adjustment is necessary. Anyone have an idea which two? Ignore breeding animals for now.

--edit 3 ---
Very quiet here.

Cuckoos have gone from being a drop item to a permanent animal it appears. Many are buying in anticipation of a price increase beyond its set exchange value of 153. Exchange value is not indicative of future value. Exchange value is the only set number we have to constantly work with in regard to items on the market (exceptions and terms will vary). The above posts address the value of using exchange value (EV).

EV is not so easy to begin using when one has used other methods in the past. Once one begins to use EV then one will clearly begin to see its benefits. I will attempt to illustrate a slightly more advanced technique of using EV with animals as the topic. This post is now too lengthy to illustrate it.

Of course there are ccs in cuckoos and for most players. We invested no ccs in order to acquire them. At this time I have cleared all offers on my market up to and including 155. I noticed one offer of 1000 for 195 has sold. Best wishes if you have chosen to invest in them.