Manure price limits

Why is the manure price so restricted? I cannot list any manure at anywhere near the prices already on the market.
Please fix this.
davidb1yth007

 

Hello davidb1yth007,

As you know, the market is dynamic, so prices will rise and fall with demand. The high prices were probably listed when manure was in high demand, and will probably rise as soon as it is in demand again, so there is nothing to fix.

Can I assist you further?

 

There is something to fix.
There is an arbitrary control which stops me from putting a high price, (currently about 479.00) yet there are listings up to 1500 or so. So why can't I list higher than 479?
Also the manure market is regulated in that each parcel cannot exceed 100 units.
So it is Not purely governed by supply and demand like the rest of the items tradeable on the market.
There are other limits especially in the breeding market.
You may close, but please don't claim that the manure market is just affected by supply and demand.

 

David, you know I am not a mod and you know I have played the Farmerama markets for several years now.

Explained real good IMO.

• The offers way above what we are able to currently list for were placed on the market when market prices were high. (I will do it regularly with little thought.)
• As the market price for manure fell (lack of demand as perhaps an event ended) so did the maximum price one could list manure for.
• Manure continued to be placed on the market but more than those who were buying wanted.
• The market price (and market price sliding index or suggested price) continued to fall also.
• The market price fell to 120. The suggested price (or sliding index price fell no further). There may have been 300 offers at the price of 120 even though one could purchase manure for say even 20 ccs.
• (The max one could list for was 120 times 175% or 210.
• No higher other than of 210 .... AND THE HIGHER PRICED LISTING WOULD REMAIN FOR 7 DAYS (or until expired) <-------

I can watch the monthly calendar and see when there should be a higher demand for manure. So I will leave offers at well over 1,000 even though there will be a period of time when individuals may not be able to list for any more than 210.

While learning to be an event junkie in the strategy thread (you know, growing junks), a real event junkie knows to STORE manure (on the market) for the next event. When the event rolls around they will just delete their offer and use the poop.

Manure was played with for a long time by developers while trying to get it right. (Players like me were abusing the implemented changes as fast as they were being made.)

• Due to the market being somewhat dynamic, there are items now listed on the market and I cannot reach those prices in listing (just as with manure at the moment.) On this market even wheat and lettuce.

The breeding market is not as active but is dynamic also. I will not list several TOP level breeding animals because the highest market price has not risen enough. A couple of highest level breeding animals I have never even seen and most likely due to the maximum listing price.

(Between us: There are still ccs to be made from those listing poorly but one must know where that maximum price is set at the moment.)

 

The trouble is, the cheapest offer is several thousand (on my market) CCs higher than the highest we are allowed to offer our product for. That is, the highest I am currently able to offer my manure for is around 775 CCs per unit, whilst the cheapest offer is 5024 per unit.

My understanding of the market (and I could be wrong, but from the way my market has worked for the past 9 years) is that the offer limit/range is based upon the current market prices. Whilst prices will rise and fall with demand, the amount you are able to offer your product for adapts to the prices on the market. For instance, if manure is currently going for 5000 CCs per unit, I should be able to offer my product for something around 5000 CCs - a few hundred higher or lower, but I should be able to offer manure for a price in that ballpark. That is the way my market, and I assume all markets, has always worked. As demand changes, prices go up or down, and therefore what you are able to offer your own product for also increases or decreases. What is currently happening is players are unable to offer their manure for anything near what the cheapest offer is asking for. Despite previous listings going for 5000 at the cheapest, I can only offer mine for a maximum of 775. I have never seen the market work this way before. Interestingly, my market has now run out of manure because no-one can offer their product for anywhere near as high as what it is currently going for.

It is possible, of course, that I have spent the last 9 years with a market where, purely by coincidence, market prices consistently change at a gradual rate. I have never seen a market jump from 5000 CCs per unit of manure to unable to sell for more than 775 CCs per unit, without gradually reducing to that point. This leads me to ask - does BP simply say "demand is changing, the prices will drop and therefore we will set an arbitrary maximum price regardless of other prices on the market"? This has certainly not been reflected in the past 9 years of the market. Prices typically change gradually, waxing and waning as demand changes. Even when they drop, it is done incrementally. That is not happening here.

 

Hi squigglegiggle. Markets are relatively the same at this time. I see many want to list closer to the maximum price.

• Given the current market setting by the game developers, players MUST list in order to drive the suggested market price up or it will not go up and there will be no manure on the markets.

Given the settings, players wishing to sell manure have two choices:

1. List and get whatever you can. The buying and selling will drive the index up assuming there is sufficient demand (likely).
2. Do not list, let the manure run on the ground and get nothing.

If players do nothing given the current event, market settings and time of the year then

1. manure should totally disappear from markets and
2. those listing manure must list at the maximum (which is less than current offers which are selling) and
3. the whole process will begin again except you will not be able to see the past high offers because they have been sold.

There has been event after event after event after event and each event manure is used. There was no doubt in my mine that what is occurring presently would happen.

And the market suggested price will begin rising as people list.

There MUST be listings and they are not being made. There is not the level of activity there was previously.

If there are no listings to raise the index then it will not rise ......... unless..... players try and get some immediate adjust by the game ......but the rise in prices will happen anyway if there are sufficient listings.

The players made the 5,000cc unit lists when the manure market was demanding it.
Unless an exception is made by the game team, I can only suggest that ..... well .... forget about it.

One more obvious issue: Who determined prices would fall below 120 before the event? And who will decide if they ever come back to 120?

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All high price offers were sold on this market. Now farmers are listing. What was selling at 4,000 cc are gone. Farmers are now taking what they can get at 750 and the suggested market price is slowly on the way up.

I have nothing else to offer in this thread or shooger.sweet is going to get me.

shooger.sweet I tried to assist by giving the details. Thank you for tolerating me.

 

I agree. My question is, why can I only offer for 775cc when the cheapest offer is 5000? Are you saying that the answer is that the amount we can offer for is not determined by other prices, but by current demand? That is, if the "cheap" 5000cc listings are not selling (remember, they are still the cheapest option), the rest of us will only be allowed to sell for a fraction of the price?

 

The time the offer was originally made was when manure prices were high we agree.

You cannot list above 775 because there were not enough listings and sales to allow it. Transactions are required to raise the suggested market price. Remember, the suggested market price fell all the way down to its default of 120.

For someone to be able to even list manure at 5,000 then the suggest market price had to have risen to 2,857.14 . And it did. Then those listing listed all of the way DOWN to below 120. The suggested market price was the default of 120 even though manure could have been purchased for less.

If someone has a suggestion how to prevent this then there is the suggestion thread. (I'll say for 500,000,000 BBs)
If you want manure buy it at 5,000 or wait on a cheaper listing and I guarantee you that they will appear.

The 5,000 per unit offerings were not made today or yesterday. You can figure it from the expiration time.

We need a separate thread for this if you wish.

 

No need - davidb1yth007 and I were simply asking for someone to explain how it works, and you are the only one who has made an effort to do so! Saying that it is dependent on demand is not quite enough - I was aware of that, but assumed it meant what my market had always led me to believe, which is that prices change incrementally and gradually with demand. I was unaware that how frequently the product was purchased became a factor in the price. I guess it is just a big coincidence that I have not once seen this happen in 9 years! Thank you for your explanation

 

If you wish to discuss further the Market fluctuations, please do so in the appropriate thread.

~closing thread~